Change.Org infotainment (AA/CP) petition

[dgennetten]

"Really all I want is Apple Music as a native app, just like Spotify. My Tesla has that without CP."

This is kind of my point. RJ knows his maps suck and he would love to light up Apple music. Everyone seems to think he doesnt know this and he is forcing a sucky experience on Rivian owners. He would love to use Apple or Google maps in his UI/software, that would be a dream. Apple and Google will not let him integrate their maps without handing over the keys to the kingdom. I want CP/AA as much as the next guy... I really really do. Current maps and navigation suck. I just understand the background as to why it isn't that easy. RJ isnt delusional... he knows the task of replicating the Apple/Google services platform is impossible (he has Amazon... but they dont offer much) This is the power Google and Apple have. That's how it works in big tech. The best thing RJ can do is grow the business which will give him a little more leverage(like Tesla volume.) Right now he has zero in a meeting with Apple or Google.

Would love to have RJ's perspective on this directly. And his head of software. I think they both might take issue on a couple points you've made.

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[SANZC02]

Would love to have RJ's perspective on this directly. And his head of software. I think they both might take issue on a couple points you've made.

This is RJ’s perspective from April of this year…

 

[Whale Blubber]

This is RJ’s perspective from April of this year…

I sorta suspect he's misleading by omission, to extent he isn't saying that it's [also] about the user data and attention, and Rivian's ultimate monitization hopes for that user experience. But regardless, it all points in the same direction: CP/AA isn't going to happen. (Which again I don't care, I just want integration of the phone resource in *some* way, however that's achieved.) [Edit for typos]

 

[SANZC02]

I sorta suspect he's misleading by omission, to extent he isn't saying that it's [also] about the user data and attention, and Rivian's ultimate monitization hopes for that user experience. But regardless, it all points in the same direction: CP/AA isn't going to happen. (Which again I don't care, I just want integration of the phone resource in *some* way, however that's achieved.) [Edit for typos]

I’m sure this is closer to the real reason, they do not want to lose out on these opportunities in the future.

 

[Whale Blubber]

I’m sure this is closer to the real reason, they do not want to lose out on these opportunities in the future.

100%

 

[Tim-in-CA]

 

[1701mpl]

I’m sure this is closer to the real reason, they do not want to lose out on these opportunities in the future.

Allowing phone projection does not keep Rivian from collecting any of this.

 

[Mathme]

I don’t need AA/CP (had CP in my last car) but would really like Apple Music. I have Apple Music for my streaming music and have zero desire to buy yet another streaming service.

On the other hand, the map box maps suck and I would like the option for another service there.

I’m not going to look at the change petition as that’s a waste of time as Rivian to my knowledges has been pretty clear on no CP/AA

 

[SANZC02]

Allowing phone projection does not keep Rivian from collecting any of this.

Allowing phone projection does not keep Rivian from collecting any of this.

Not sure what your background or your business acumen is but keep in mind that no company, especially Apple and Google, give anything away for free. They spend millions of dollars creating and maintaining these products and expect a return on that investment.

Just because there is no cost to a license does not mean that in order to be compliant with that license you are not giving up valuable customer data. It also requires you to invest your development teams effort to support those integration that is now dictated by a someone else’s development plan taking resources away from your own development plans. It also ties your hands a little because your changes need to play well with that third party software.

You know the old saying, if you can’t see the product generating the revenue, you are the product.

 

[1701mpl]

Not sure what your background or your business acumen is but keep in mind that no company, especially Apple and Google, give anything away for free. They spend millions of dollars creating and maintaining these products and expect a return on that investment.

Just because there is no cost to a license does not mean that in order to be compliant with that license you are not giving up valuable customer data. It also requires you to invest your development teams effort to support those integration that is now dictated by a someone else’s development plan taking resources away from your own development plans. It also ties your hands a little because your changes need to play well with that third party software.

You know the old saying, if you can’t see the product generating the revenue, you are the product.

Let me spell this out for you. Allowing phone projection, which is all that AA/CP is, does not keep Rivian or any auto manufacturer from collecting any data through their own software. Rivian can collect all of this data and monetize it however they want while the user projects their phone onto a screen. Please point to any evidence that using a phone projection prevents this.

Speaking of previous development resources, what is a more cost-effective use of resources at Rivian: implementing CP/AA for phone projection, or using developers and programmers to implement every music service or navigation offering that users may want, and keeping them up to date with future service changes, APIs, permission changes, etc? What happens if Spotify decides to no longer allow Rivian integration? Seems foolish to waste precious few resources when their is a simple solution at hand.

 

[SANZC02]

Let me spell this out for you. Allowing phone projection, which is all that AA/CP is, does not keep Rivian or any auto manufacturer from collecting any data through their own software. Rivian can collect all of this data and monetize it however they want while the user projects their phone onto a screen. Please point to any evidence that using a phone projection prevents this.

Speaking of previous development resources, what is a more cost-effective use of resources at Rivian: implementing CP/AA for phone projection, or using developers and programmers to implement every music service or navigation offering that users may want, and keeping them up to date with future service changes, APIs, permission changes, etc? What happens if Spotify decides to no longer allow Rivian integration? Seems foolish to waste precious few resources when their is a simple solution at hand.

Well at least you answered my first sentence. Enough time wasted, now on to more important things….

 

[CharonPDX]

FFS. I want Rivian to add these, but a Change.org? That won't do anything.

 

[Zoidz]

Let me spell this out for you. Allowing phone projection, which is all that AA/CP is, does not keep Rivian or any auto manufacturer from collecting any data through their own software. Rivian can collect all of this data and monetize it however they want while the user projects their phone onto a screen. Please point to any evidence that using a phone projection prevents this.

Speaking of previous development resources, what is a more cost-effective use of resources at Rivian: implementing CP/AA for phone projection, or using developers and programmers to implement every music service or navigation offering that users may want, and keeping them up to date with future service changes, APIs, permission changes, etc? What happens if Spotify decides to no longer allow Rivian integration? Seems foolish to waste precious few resources when their is a simple solution at hand.

As you say yourself, CP is a screen projection app running on the car's hardware. Functionally, it likely works similar to VNC, RDP, etc. How is RIvian going to collect any data? The App running on the Rivian is receiving rasterized pixels, not intelligible data. All of the data is processed in the iPhone which is communicated via the iPhone mobile carrier. Furthermore, most or all of this traffic is encrypted.

Based on the fundamental technology of how screen projection works, the burden is on you to provide evidence that useful, collectible user data (and not just rasterized screen images) is exposed within the car manufacturer's implementation of CarPlay.

 

[gregtay]

Would love to have RJ's perspective on this directly. And his head of software. I think they both might take issue on a couple points you've made.

Rivians map data isn't from Rivian's software team... it is just whatever their data source is.

Not sure what your background or your business acumen is but keep in mind that no company, especially Apple and Google, give anything away for free. They spend millions of dollars creating and maintaining these products and expect a return on that investment.

Just because there is no cost to a license does not mean that in order to be compliant with that license you are not giving up valuable customer data. It also requires you to invest your development teams effort to support those integration that is now dictated by a someone else’s development plan taking resources away from your own development plans. It also ties your hands a little because your changes need to play well with that third party software.

You know the old saying, if you can’t see the product generating the revenue, you are the product.

You seem to get it and my guess is that your background is similar to mine. I've been in the trenches on this sort of thing (usually on the side making the rules that everyone needs to follow if they want to play)

 

[brancky3]

Using CarPlay in my wife’s Mach E GT is a terrible experience. It looks like it was designed for a preschooler due to how big all the icons are which don’t scale with screen size. Apple needs to come a LONG way before it looks better than Rivians default interface.

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