Gen 1 Quad Large vs Gen 2 Dual Max

[VanCityMike]

How important is range and heat pump for you? If it's not very, QM. QM in conserve will likely do 330-350 in real world. 125 kwh battery vs 145 kwh battery isn't much. Range ratings are higher because of heat pump, which will make a difference only when using heat under moderate conditions.

Also suspension on G1 T is pretty good. If it was an S, I would go for G2. Lots of complaints about G1 S suspension.

Range is important, but maybe it's partly due to this being my first EV. At the same time, I do at times drive long distances, drive in winter (Canada) or go into the bush where there are no chargers.

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[CrazyOne]

Range is important, but maybe it's partly due to this being my first EV. At the same time, I do at times drive long distances, drive in winter (Canada) or go into the bush where there are no chargers.

As of last year, non-tesla fast chargers in BC are unusable at 50kw. Especially for bigger EVs like Rivian. If that's still the case around you, I guess you need the range.

 

[HaveBlue]

Dual max especially a Gen 2 with all the fixes

 

[Epicloop]

I would be saving CAD $35K between a Gen1 Quad vs a Gen2 Max with performance. Not quite the same options (Gen1 on 20", black interior, Gen2 on 22" with ocean coast).

it's partly due to the stupid taxes we have in BC. I pay 10% provincial tax on the Gen1 but 15% on the Gen2 as it is in the next bracket.

I think if I pass on the Gen1 I will just continue to save for a Gen2 Tri with the sky interior as at that point I would just get exactly the truck I want. Only problem is the Tri hits even the NEXT tax bracket (>$150K) and is 20%. That stings.

Do you know if the G2 Tri-M has the extended warranty similar to the G1 Quad?
I heard recently that vehicles over a certain weight were exempt from the luxury tax not sure if this applies. I believe the Rivian gvwr is 3870kg
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...hicles-under-select-luxury-items-tax-act.html

• it has a gross vehicle weight rating that is 3,856 kg or less

QM in conserve will likely do 330-350 in real world. 125 kwh battery vs 145 kwh battery isn't much

The G1 QM with 20" AT will not do much more than 300 miles on the hwy without a tire swap.
The G1 Large is 135kwh(maybe typo?)

 

[Golfer04]

Range is important, but maybe it's partly due to this being my first EV. At the same time, I do at times drive long distances, drive in winter (Canada) or go into the bush where there are no chargers.

I didn't read this entire thread, but since you are in Canada I would get the gen 2 dual max. Skip performance & save the $$. If someone doesn't live where it gets cold they greatly underestimate the gen 1 cold weather range loss. No QM made in conserve is going 300 miles in cold weather. Just doesn't happen (I've tried several times in my 76,000 miles of gen 1 QM ownership). If you precondition you are lucky to get 250. I am withholding judgement on the gen 2 efficiency until we get some independent testing, but Rivian says it is better. Nobody with a gen 1 believes it though. Throw in the Rivian only average dcfc performance and your choice is obvious if you travel in cold weather.

 

[CrazyOne]

Do you know if the G2 Tri-M has the extended warranty similar to the G1 Quad?
I heard recently that vehicles over a certain weight were exempt from the luxury tax not sure if this applies. I believe the Rivian gvwr is 3870kg
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...hicles-under-select-luxury-items-tax-act.html

• it has a gross vehicle weight rating that is 3,856 kg or less

The G1 QM with 20" AT will not do much more than 300 miles on the hwy without a tire swap.
The G1 Large is 135kwh(maybe typo?)

Usable is 125 AFAIK. Total is not the same as usable. Range loss with AT tires is true for all models. Swap to AS tires, even on 20 inch wheels will give you close to the same range as 21s. AT tires have a rumble and I would not want to have them for regular use.

 

[VanCityMike]

Do you know if the G2 Tri-M has the extended warranty similar to the G1 Quad?
I heard recently that vehicles over a certain weight were exempt from the luxury tax not sure if this applies. I believe the Rivian gvwr is 3870kg
https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...hicles-under-select-luxury-items-tax-act.html

• it has a gross vehicle weight rating that is 3,856 kg or less

Gen 1 quad the only one with the 5 year warranty.
https://rivian.com/support/article/what-is-the-warranty-coverage-on-a-new-rivian-in-canada

No luxury tax on the Rivian but you do end up paying more for higher MSRP vehicles due to the escalating tax..

The G1 QM with 20" AT will not do much more than 300 miles on the hwy without a tire swap.
The G1 Large is 135kwh(maybe typo?)

300 miles isn't great, I think the quad with ATs is rated even lower by Rivian if I'm not mistaken, 290 I think.

 

[VanCityMike]

I didn't read this entire thread, but since you are in Canada I would get the gen 2 dual max. Skip performance & save the $$. If someone doesn't live where it gets cold they greatly underestimate the gen 1 cold weather range loss. No QM made in conserve is going 300 miles in cold weather. Just doesn't happen (I've tried several times in my 76,000 miles of gen 1 QM ownership). If you precondition you are lucky to get 250. I am withholding judgement on the gen 2 efficiency until we get some independent testing, but Rivian says it is better. Nobody with a gen 1 believes it though. Throw in the Rivian only average dcfc performance and your choice is obvious if you travel in cold weather.

It's more expensive for the Gen2, I would be saving money getting the Gen1 due to the incentive and tax difference. The Gen2 does have a heat pump and in-house motors so *maybe* it's more efficient? Thanks for your insight though, helpful.

 

[DB-Cooper]

New here, been considering getting an R1S to replace our PHEV Volvo V60 Polestar which we like, but recently our neighborhood installed 8 speed bumps and the Ohlins race suspension on the Volvo is getting punished.

Having not looked at Rivians in a year, I was thoroughly confused when I saw all the new names and models on rivian.com. I did a lot of reading on here, reddit and YouTube about the changes, and I find myself in the same boat.

In particular, there's a seemingly brand new 2024 in my neck of the woods for what appears to be a killer deal. It sounds like the Gen2 refinement is worthwhile though, so I might wait to pickup a lightly used DM Max Performance.

One thing I can't figure out is regarding the suspension refinement. Some people said there was some changes made in later 2024 models to improve suspension. I sensed it was more than just a software update, but I can't confirm.

Anyways, thoughts on this vehicle? I'm not in love with the color combo, but this seems to be an originally stickered ~$100K QM Large that only has 140 miles. I've worked with this dealer before, they tend to basically get new cars.

https://www.alphaonemotors.com/used/Rivian/2024-Rivian-R1S-c83a2517ac184d6fbb3333d73712a3a6.htm#

 

[Swezey]

4 > 2; quad all day baaabyyyy! Case closed

That said, I'd get a Gen2 dual. It will have a longer support cycle than the Gen1s


What will be interesting if they will allow Gen2s to be upgraded (HW wise) or (if ever) will that ability come with Gen3s?

 

[beatle]

On paper the Gen2 DMP max is .4 seconds slower 0-60 than quad...however...the 3 seconds 0-60 in the quad is with the sport wheel/tire setup, in lowest ride height, and in sport mode. In all purpose mode with standard ride height or even low I think you would have a hard time telling the two apart in terms of performance.

All R1 are power limited based on ride height..I suspect to protect the axles. You only get max power in sport/lowest and of course other conditions like state of charge, battery temps, etc have to be optimal to get max available power output.

Underrated/unknown fact here. Since Rivian kicks you out of sport mode every time the truck goes to sleep, you have to always reselect sport mode to get the power and responsiveness you paid for, and you have to drive around in the low or lowest suspension setting - fun for curves, but noticeably less comfortable. The truck is also traction limited with the 20ATs which narrows the gap further.

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