Idle fee hate

[COdogman]

Yes.

One could easily come to the conclusion that creating charging rules that are so confusing that most people cannot easily determine what fees, if any they might pay at a particular station is deliberate...and possibly "abusive".

Is it a congestion fee or idle fee charger?
Is it more than 50% occupied?
It was 30% when I pulled up but now it's 100%. Will I get charged?
Will I pay $.5 or $1?
What happens if I need to charge to 100% because I'm on a road trip?
etc., etc., etc.....

You may not like Rivian's RULE (singular), but it's easy to understand. Get off your high horse.

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[SwampNut]

Some of us have no problem understanding their rules, sorry you do. Meanwhile Rivian's abusive cash grab is also illogical as it drives business to brand X.

 

[COdogman]

Some of us have no problem understanding their rules, sorry you do. Meanwhile Rivian's abusive cash grab is also illogical as it drives business to brand X.

I don't charge at Tesla stations so it's not a problem for me. Maybe you could offer some real evidence that Rivian is actually making more money per station off of idle fees than Tesla?

 

[Dark-Fx]

Some of us have no problem understanding their rules, sorry you do. Meanwhile Rivian's abusive cash grab is also illogical as it drives business to brand X.

Explain how changing how much your charge is going to cost while you're in the middle of charging is not abusive? OP was told the entire conditions up front, and they didn't change.

 

[SwampNut]

Explain how changing how much your charge is going to cost while you're in the middle of charging is not abusive?

It doesn't do that. You've misread something. The only thing that changes is what you may pay AFTER charging. And you get notified multiple times well before it happens, then as it happens.

Maybe you could offer some real evidence that Rivian is actually making more money per station off of idle fees than Tesla?

Man, this thread is full of miscomprehension and misinformation. At no time did I claim anything like that.

But here's a hug from your friend...

 

[COdogman]

It doesn't do that. You've misread something. The only thing that changes is what you may pay AFTER charging. And you get notified multiple times well before it happens, then as it happens.



Man, this thread is full of miscomprehension and misinformation. At no time did I claim anything like that.

But here's a hug from your friend...

Some of us have no problem understanding their rules, sorry you do. Meanwhile Rivian's abusive cash grab is also illogical as it drives business to brand X.

So you claim you will only charge at Tesla based on your unproven claim that Rivian's ONE idle fee rule is a "cash grab" without having any idea if Tesla's multiple, always changing idle/ congestion rules are actually worse.... got it.

 

[SwampNut]

So you claim you will only charge at Tesla based on your unproven claim that Rivian's ONE idle fee rule is a "cash grab"

Nope. You made that up. Again.

 

[COdogman]

Nope. You made that up. Again.

So you didn't call Rivian's rule a "cash grab" without any idea if that term more accurately applies to Tesla's confusing mess of rules?

 

[SwampNut]

So you didn't call Rivian's rule a "cash grab" without any idea if that term more accurately applies to Tesla's confusing mess of rules?

You keep changing the words and meanings of everything, as usual. So to answer your question THIS time, I called it a cash grab because it punishes people for nothing, with no benefit to anyone, while Tesla has very logical and very helpful rules that benefit all users.

Amazing that this had to be typed out, hopefully you get it this time.

 

[COdogman]

You keep changing the words and meanings of everything, as usual. So to answer your question THIS time, I called it a cash grab because it punishes people for nothing, with no benefit to anyone, while Tesla has very logical and very helpful rules that benefit all users.

Amazing that this had to be typed out, hopefully you get it this time.

I didn't change any words or meanings. Those are simply the words you chose to use ("abusive cash grab"). If you meant to use different words, that isn't really my fault. And I don't think I have authority to change the meanings of words?

Amazing how you have convinced yourself that Rivian's single and easy to understand idle fee rule is "punishment for nothing" while Tesla's mess of on/ off again rules that don't even apply to all stations equally is a "benefit to all users".

 

[SwampNut]

Amazing that some people can't grasp the idea that a complex problem with a lot of moving parts and variations should be addressed with logic and reasoning to accommodate all use cases. Crazy. I guess it's no different from all the people who can't comprehend supply and demand, or pricing based on variations for flights, hotels, and you name it. I'm once again less optimistic for humanity in general.

Anyway, I've made great use of Tesla's flexible and logical approach, such as 72k chargers during lunch, or Supercharges colocated with hotels. Things I could not do with flat fees.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I didn't change any words or meanings. Those are simply the words you chose to use ("abusive cash grab"). If you meant to use different words, that isn't really my fault. And I don't think I have authority to change the meanings of words?

Amazing how you have convinced yourself that Rivian's single and easy to understand idle fee rule is "punishment for nothing" while Tesla's mess of on/ off again rules that don't even apply to all stations equally is a "benefit to all users".

Hard to argue with an elon ball gargler.

 

[SwampNut]

Hard to argue with an elon ball gargler.

I've only ever said negative things about him, and I'll bet you can't find otherwise. He's an idiot. But also too stupid to be what most accuse him of.

 

[R1S-DMPerformance]

I just got hit with this BS idle fee at a completely empty RAN station. I called customer support and told them their rule is BS and I dont accept it. I requested a refund and they are providing me with it.

Don't care what anyone says, you ain't charging me extra for having my vehicle plugged in after it finished charging when there is zero usage of the entire station.

Perfect example, while doing a cross country trip, I may arrive at one of my destinations late at night, 1am let say. There is a tesla charger on site at the hotel. We arrive with 3%, plug in, and go to bed. We wake up next day, car is at 100% ready for our next leg of the trip. And ZERO idle fees. Why? Because the was no one else charging at the super charger.

And no matter what your opinion is, no one is charging me idles fees for not waking back up at 3am to unplug the car for absolutely no reason.

How about I create a Looking fee, everyone one of your will have to pay me a dollar every time you look at my post.

That's how much this is of a BS fee.

You simply call Rivian and request a refund, and tell them you dont accept this fee because no one was using the chargers at that time.

 

[mudito]

I just got hit with this BS idle fee at a completely empty RAN station. I called customer support and told them their rule is BS and I dont accept it. I requested a refund and they are providing me with it.

Don't care what anyone says, you ain't charging me extra for having my vehicle plugged in after it finished charging when there is zero usage of the entire station.

Perfect example, while doing a cross country trip, I may arrive at one of my destinations late at night, 1am let say. There is a tesla charger on site at the hotel. We arrive with 3%, plug in, and go to bed. We wake up next day, car is at 100% ready for our next leg of the trip. And ZERO idle fees. Why? Because the was no one else charging at the super charger.

And no matter what your opinion is, no one is charging me idles fees for not waking back up at 3am to unplug the car for absolutely no reason.

How about I create a Looking fee, everyone one of your will have to pay me a dollar every time you look at my post.

That's how much this is of a BS fee.

You simply call Rivian and request a refund, and tell them you dont accept this fee because no one was using the chargers at that time.

Congratulations for not liking the rules. My advise would be to build your own charging network and put whatever rules you want.

2nd Advise if you arrive near empty late at night at a location would be to go, charge for 5 or 10 mins, unplug, go to sleep. Wake up, plug in while you get coffee/breakfast/brushing teeth sorted out, and be happy.

Being grumpy about rules just make you age faster. Live happy. Charge on

cheers!

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