R1 Gen 2 Quad Large?

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Hugely popular? It was the only option to take delivery of until less than a year ago. People tend to take what they can get rather than wait. So, of course there are more Quad-Large examples in the wild. Doesn’t mean it’s “popular”. If all possible configs were launched at the same time from the get-go, then you’d have a plausible premise.

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[edman007]

But....what kinda performance hit can be expected to be taken with the AT's?

I guess what kind of performance hit are you looking at?

The street tires will have a huge off road performance hit, the off road tires will have a huge on road performance hit. If you want both buy two sets of tires. I don't think you're getting < 3s 0-60 times with AT tires.

 

[R1Tom]

I guess what kind of performance hit are you looking at?

The street tires will have a huge off road performance hit, the off road tires will have a huge on road performance hit. If you want both buy two sets of tires. I don't think you're getting < 3s 0-60 times with AT tires.

Very true....have to evaluate when we know more about the offset on these new staggered wheel sizes..

 

[bdwalters]

The new quad is going to sell is crazy low volumes. In fact, I don’t think they should have even bothered to make it, but I guess they like it as a halo. The base dual is going to be the majority of sales.

 

[Flank Steak]

Hugely popular? It was the only option to take delivery of until less than a year ago. People tend to take what they can get rather than wait. So, of course there are more Quad-Large examples in the wild. Doesn’t mean it’s “popular”. If all possible configs were launched at the same time from the get-go, then you’d have a plausible premise.

And many of those early owners, myself included, want that quad experience again. Deciding that the most recently introduced option is the inherent choice is the recency effect on steroids.

 

[R1Tom]

The new quad is going to sell is crazy low volumes. In fact, I don’t think they should have even bothered to make it, but I guess they like it as a halo. The base dual is going to be the majority of sales.

I wouldn't be surprised if the $3k reservation amount is to truly judge interest and if not high enough see a signicant delay to its introduction.

 

[Flank Steak]

I wouldn't be surprised if the $3k reservation amount is to truly judge interest and if not high enough see a signicant delay to its introduction.

They are going to lose a lot of people without a better quad option. $115K delivered for an offroad Trimax is no substitute for a gen 1 quad. You would be at $125 for the Quad max and that is untested waters for Rivian. There are plenty of Dual motor vehicles available.

 

[bdwalters]

They are going to lose a lot of people without a better quad option. $115K delivered for an offroad Trimax is no substitute for a gen 1 quad. You would be at $125 for the Quad max and that is untested waters for Rivian. There are plenty of Dual motor vehicles available.

The new tri is superior to the original quad in just about every way. I suspect most original quad owners would find it to be a perfectly good substitute. The new quad is almost comically over the top. It's almost as if the writers for the Simpsons came up with it. In the end, the new tri and quad are just low volume halo products. The affluent suburban area I live in is swamped with R1Ss. I promise few, if any, of these go off road, tow, or do anything that uses any significant fraction of the vehicle's capability. All of these people are going to soak up the dual motors and be perfectly content. Most people aren't enthusiasts.

 

[CharonPDX]

I have a quad R1T now that has less HP and less range. Why do you feel that the same would not be possible in the Gen 2. It would of course cost less without the Max pack.

Yes, they *COULD* just keep making the current Large Pack and Quad Bosch motors - but then that would be added cost and complexity.

The whole point of the refresh is to simplify and bring in-house.

What features of the old Quad do you want that the new Tri is missing?

What about the Large pack do you prefer over the new Large pack, which has *better range* at same power (Dual Performance) due to massively improved efficiency? (In spite of having a lower usable energy.)

The "Tri and Quad require Max for power reasons" is because fewer cells mean less amperage available at a given operating voltage. Since the operating voltage is fixed across the battery lineup, bigger batteries mean more amperage available.

The G2 Small pack is likely perfectly matched to the Dual motor (non-Performance) requirements.
The G2 Large pack is likely perfectly matched to the Dual motor Performance requirements.

Because to do different would be wasteful in one direction or the other.

Heck, I'd be willing to wager that Quad would be capable of even higher performance if it had a "bigger than Max" pack.

 

[Flank Steak]

For a large price increase, the tri max offers 30 more miles and 15 more HP than the Gen 1 Quad large.

That is awful even with the best spin.

 

[thrill]

...Heck, I'd be willing to wager that Quad would be capable of even higher performance if it had a "bigger than Max" pack.

 

[seanocono]

For a large price increase, the tri max offers 30 more miles and 15 more HP than the Gen 1 Quad large.

That is awful even with the best spin.

When comparing the Rivian shop and the configurator, the range difference between a Gen 1 - Quad Motor - Large - All-Terrain package and a Gen 2 - Tri Motor - Max - All-Terrain package is 46 miles.

The range difference between a Gen 1 - Quad Motor - Large with 22" Sport wheels and a Gen 2 - Tri Motor - Max with 22" Sport wheels is 77 miles.

I am not arguing that the Gen 2 Tri Motor or Quad Motor variants are great values. I think we all universally agree that the Gen 1 Quad Motor was a better value (especially, pre-price increase). I just think it's important to state the correct range estimates when making this comparison.

 

[Flank Steak]

These are two I pulled as that is my original truck spec vs the upcoming Tri max. It is no contest.

 

[Eric9610]

I think another point people are missing is that denser cells degrade much faster than less dense cells. I have seen some estimates that after a year of use some G1 Large packs only lost 1-2% capacity. I would be interested to see how this looks on the G2. I would guess it would be in the 2%+ after 1 year. I'll wait for G3 or G4 for an upgrade.

 

[usulio]

The G2 Small pack is likely perfectly matched to the Dual motor (non-Performance) requirements.
The G2 Large pack is likely perfectly matched to the Dual motor Performance requirements.

Interesting, in that case Rivian could not offer a software upgrade from to Performance after the fact.

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