Rivian AEB failure and crash

[mkhuffman]

I can guarantee you that everyone driving around that car was annoyed lol

Why? Every decision it made was safe and reasonable. And so smooth - much smoother than the average human driver.

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[captainjp]

Doesn't the current version require specific hardware that's not available on older Tesla's?

Yes. HW4 is required for this level of autonomy. Currently on the road, roughly half of Tesla’s fleet is on HW3 or lower. Apparently there’s a plan in place to rectify this hardware deficiency for owners who paid the premium for FSD at the time.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

Why? Every decision it made was safe and reasonable. And so smooth - much smoother than the average human driver.

Because the cars drive in a selfish way. For example, they will drive at 70 in the middle lane leaving 10 car lengths between them and the next car all while people are trying to get around.

Or, it’s rush hour, and the Tesla is driving at 10mph with 10 car lengths between it and the next car, making it very difficult for people to get around it.

Classic example: someone is trying to pull out of a driveway, but a Tesla is on autopilot and blocks it while the Tesla waits at a light. It doesn’t stop a little early to give the person space to pull out. Meanwhile the Tesla driver just stares at the frustrated person instead of taking over and giving space.

That’s why people in the Bay Area hate teslas. They don’t drive with others in mind. They drive with only themselves in mind, annoying everyone around them.

 

[gultin]

Rivian sensors and software are slow in my experience with both Gen1 and Gen2 R1. The rear cross traffic alert often misses people and vehicles and when it does warn me, it is almost always after I've already seen the person or vehicle.

RCTA on my previous 10+ year old Toyota vehicles made it almost seem like the vehicle had a sixth sense. With the Rivian it is the exact opposite, despite them being much newer vehicles. I feel like decentralized compute actually has some real advantages when it comes to latency in safety-based applications.

AEB has been a similar story, with frequent false positives and I can only hope I don't run into a false negative like OP.

I can understand Rivian being behind on ADAS vs Tesla, but not getting RCTA and AEB right (compared to 10+ year old ICE vehicles) make me treat it like a vehicle from 20 years ago, when humans controlled almost everything. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[Doggman]

Gen1/Gen2 R1 doesn't have FCTA. Had it on my Landcruiser. Don't have the Landcruiser anymore (not specifically because of FCTA but it was a factor). My opinion - if Rivian had FCTA there'd be multiple 10 page threads bitching and moaning about what a PIA it is. Like a lot of nanny-ware on modern cars, for every life and/or property saving maneuver there are probably 100's if not 1000's of false alarms. That said it seems like the hardware is there to implement the feature in Gen 2 but I'm fine waiting to see how it rolls out in the R2 first.

Yes, Tesla manages to use it's stack to manage most forward collisions safely but it still mows down the occasional slow moving old lady or broadsides a tractor trailers at highway speeds at a T-intersection - maybe not in the last couple of months but it's happened and the normies don't forget or forgive that shit the way fanboys do.

 

[SwampNut]

Because the cars drive in a selfish way. For example, they will drive at 70 in the middle lane leaving 10 car lengths between them and the next car all while people are trying to get around.

No. Maybe you're simply parroting a mix of ancient info about the older systems, or the made-up stuff that anti-Tesla people have been putting on forums for years. But it's clear you don't really know what is in these cars and especially the newer software.

Meanwhile, one of my FSD-using friends complains that even in "chill" mode it's way too aggressive.

Or, it’s rush hour, and the Tesla is driving at 10mph with 10 car lengths between it and the next car, making it very difficult for people to get around it.

This makes it easier for everyone to get around it, unlike the assholes who will be leaving half a car length so nobody can change lanes.

Rivian sensors and software are slow in my experience with both Gen1 and Gen2 R1. The rear cross traffic alert often misses people and vehicles and when it does warn me, it is almost always after I've already seen the person or vehicle.

Weird, mine seems completely perfect. I had a great system in my Gladiator, and this seems slightly better. I even had a nice test with a surprise pedestrian doing something stupid once, and he and I talked about it.

 

[shandering]

And Tesla's systems aren't magic. Sure, they can avoid some predictable driver badness, but not all.

Have you looked at euro NCAP scores? Tesla AEB has been #1 in the world for many years

The feature that is needed here (cross traffic accident detection) has never existed before 2021

Tesla was the first to have it. It's not easy because it involves detecting every car and object around you and predicting the trajectory. It's only an easy task if you have a self driving software.

One area tesla does lose is they brake late and hard, which makes it worse in snow compared to competitors

 

[shandering]

Yes. HW4 is required for this level of autonomy. Currently on the road, roughly half of Tesla’s fleet is on HW3 or lower. Apparently there’s a plan in place to rectify this hardware deficiency for owners who paid the premium for FSD at the time.

v14 lite is already out

Whether it is good or not we will see

 

[captainjp]

v14 lite is already out

Whether it is good or not we will see

Does this mean the “micro-factory” proposal to retrofit hardware has been abandoned?

 

[shandering]

Does this mean the “micro-factory” proposal to retrofit hardware has been abandoned?

There is no micro factory. FSD was never sold as unsupervised. It was sold as a product that drives in "almost all" circumstances with no input from the driver. This means that V14 lite + park seek theoretically fulfills this. V14 lite will also release to europe/asia

The only people who will get a new car are legacy S/X owners before 2021 where their cars seem to have a badly performing version of FSD. There are relatively not many of these owners and the S/X is gone

At this point you give those few thousand owners a new car and you're not out very much money

When you see people often who say they were FSD users or are currently FSD users where it sucks, they are mostly likely a legacy S/X owner. Even HW3 FSD these days is decent.

There was a whiner in an FSD group where he claimed FSD didn't work and that wholemars videos were fake. Then he tried a HW4 car and his mind was blown. I told him to try a HW3 car that's not legacy (model 3/Y) and it was also very good.

 

[NY_Rob]

I would be curious to see what Rivian says from the data it can pull about why nothing happened.

They're probably not going to pull and investigate any data from a minor fender bender. Unless someone died and they are notified they don't generally get involved. Even with that, we (the public) will never see the data unless it goes to court and they are forced to show their hand.

 

[SwampNut]

They're probably not going to pull and investigate any data from a minor fender bender. Unless someone died and they are notified they don't generally get involved. Even with that, we (the public) will never see the data unless it goes to court and they are forced to show their hand.

This, plus I'm not sure WHAT if anything they really would get from the garbage MobileEye system. But, just a moment ago the lead person in Rivian development for Comma asked me for my files from that, to fully review. Since it also did nothing.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

No. Maybe you're simply parroting a mix of ancient info about the older systems, or the made-up stuff that anti-Tesla people have been putting on forums for years. But it's clear you don't really know what is in these cars and especially the newer software.

Meanwhile, one of my FSD-using friends complains that even in "chill" mode it's way too aggressive.



This makes it easier for everyone to get around it, unlike the assholes who will be leaving half a car length so nobody can change lanes.



Weird, mine seems completely perfect. I had a great system in my Gladiator, and this seems slightly better. I even had a nice test with a surprise pedestrian doing something stupid once, and he and I talked about it.

I have driven Teslas, bruh. Relax.

Also, you don’t have to get around a Tesla if it doesn’t leave 10 car lengths and actually drives with traffic!

I can be objective: appreciating FSD for what it does while acknowledging pain points for those on the road.

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