Rivian full self-driving

[schwartz83]

I'm sure that's not the term Rivian is using, bit I'm curious how many think Rivian will get to true point to point self-driving.

Whether or not you are interested personally.

Due to a health issue I'm no longer able to drive and this would enable me to be more independent. Though I'm guessing there will be a requirement that someone in the vehicle be able to take control quickly. And regardless of if they get there, it'll be a wait.

Thanks.

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[losercore]

I do think they will and soon. They announced it on AI Day and claimed it was coming this summer I believe. I hope that timeline sticks and I hope they can deliver a great product.
People are not going to pay $49 a month for what they have now.

 

[HaveBlue]

A good example would be Tesla to estimate a timeline. Tesla now charges $99 per month for auto pilot.

 

[pointless]

End to end fully autonomous (L4-L5) driving is not coming “soon”. Tesla has been over promising this for 10 years.

Rivian didn't share an explicit timeline, but its CEO expects things to move quickly. RJ Scaringe told Automotive News this week that Rivian vehicles will be driverless "well before the end of the decade."

This Upgrade Could Make The Rivian R2 Fully Autonomous—Eventually
https://insideevs.com/news/781446/rivian-r2-lidar-autonomy-day/#

We'll have to wait and see. As the industry gets there it will be a game changer for mobility and independence. Exciting times.

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

RJ Scaringe told Automotive News this week that Rivian vehicles will be driverless "well before the end of the decade."

Ok. As long as it’s not because there are no more people driving Rivian’s

 

[ndmiller]

Tesla FSD is supervised and I'm sure Rivian will get there within a couple years. Good reasonable expectation is L5 from many manufacturers within a decade. Just as many legal hurdles to surmount as technology and the legal ones may be even harder.

For example in the US will there be one National legal framework or 50 patchwork legal frameworks? Going to be interesting.

 

[CANCERDOC]

First vehicles from Rivian that might be able to do this will be LIDAR equipped R2 in 2027. Maybe. Not now.

 

[SadHill]

Tesla FSD is supervised and I'm sure Rivian will get there within a couple years. Good reasonable expectation is L5 from many manufacturers within a decade. Just as many legal hurdles to surmount as technology and the legal ones may be even harder.

For example in the US will there be one National legal framework or 50 patchwork legal frameworks? Going to be interesting.

agreed. This is going to be the part that will take the most time. The dysfunctional govt will take a decade to decide L4 and L5 and until they do we can hope all we want. The car manufacturers may be ready in a few years but the USA won’t be

 

[ATLRivvy]

Waymo (and other specialists) already exists and will accomplish this well before Rivian does. They are testing their tech with different vehicle types now with an eye towards licensing.

Waymo will deliver this functionality at a fleet level in the next 5 years most likely with availability for personal EV purchase within 7-10 I would guess.

 

[therealcmj]

The dysfunctional govt will take a decade to decide L4 and L5 and until they do we can hope all we want. The car manufacturers may be ready in a few years but the USA won’t be

This is nonsense. Government is not the hold up.

Florida allowed autonomous vehicles by law starting in 2016. And I've personally seen Waymo and Zoox tooling around Miami for over a year. But neither are ready to launch there.

Actual fully autonomous vehicles are already live in multiple cities in the US with people actually taking them daily (myself included) in multiple jurisdictions. So the blocker is clearly not a regulatory issue. The actual blocker / problem is (1) that the technology is simply not ready for level 5 and (2) pricing is still impossibly high for wide scale consumer-owned self driving vehicles operating at level 4.

Waymo just as one example has gotten the hardware sensor suite down from 6 figures to ~$13,000 ish. But even they only operate in specific bounded areas because (among other reasons) they require extremely detailed 3 dimensional mapping in advance.

 

[SadHill]

This is nonsense. Government is not the hold up.

Florida allowed autonomous vehicles by law starting in 2016. And I've personally seen Waymo and Zoox tooling around Miami for over a year. But neither are ready to launch there.

Actual fully autonomous vehicles are already live in multiple cities in the US with people actually taking them daily (myself included) in multiple jurisdictions. So the blocker is clearly not a regulatory issue. The actual blocker / problem is (1) that the technology is simply not ready for level 5 and (2) pricing is still impossibly high for wide scale consumer-owned self driving vehicles operating at level 4.

Waymo just as one example has gotten the hardware sensor suite down from 6 figures to ~$13,000 ish. But even they only operate in specific bounded areas because they require extremely detailed 3 dimensional mapping in advance.

I do not agree. Try to take a trip across states lines. Until this is managed throughout the country it won’t be fully implemented.
to have it in a city here and there is not fully rolled out.

 

[ebarke]

I'm 58, and I don't see L5 taking place in my lifetime, I think people forget that driving on a nice sunny day with clearly marked lanes are easy. But when it's pouring rain, or you have snow covered roads that make lane lines invisible, I don't see this happening. To me, level 5 is any road in any condition, and to truly achieve that, you have to have a system integrated between vehicles, roads and signage/signals that all talk to each other so that vehicles now where it is in the road, where stop signs signals are located, their status, vehicles in front/behind all communicating in real time. Once that is achieved, then a car can drive anywhere in any condition, but that would require a massive amount of $$ in infrastructure everywhere. I can see them doing that in downtown areas, but not everywhere....but I could be wrong...vision doesn't cut it in severe weather conditions, and lidar doesn't tell you if you are in your lane or over the line.

Then of course, there's road construction, which will throw another wrench into the works.

 

[ATLRivvy]

I do not agree. Try to take a trip across states lines. Until this is managed throughout the country it won’t be fully implemented.
to have it in a city here and there is not fully rolled out.

I mean… you are both right. Eventually there will need to be a national framework but that isn’t yet the bottleneck. Still have some tech to figure out. Waymo is just now getting into highway/airport trips and at the beginnings of expanding into markets with severe weather conditions.

 

[Skeldog99]

Anyone plan on purchasing the Autonomy+ when is comes out? I plan too because once it improves, the price will increase

 

[ATLRivvy]

I'm 58, and I don't see L5 taking place in my lifetime, I think people forget that driving on a nice sunny day with clearly marked lanes are easy. But when it's pouring rain, or you have snow covered roads that make lane lines invisible, I don't see this happening. To me, level 5 is any road in any condition, and to truly achieve that, you have to have a system integrated between vehicles, roads and signage/signals that all talk to each other so that vehicles now where it is in the road, where stop signs signals are located, their status, vehicles in front/behind all communicating in real time. Once that is achieved, then a car can drive anywhere in any condition, but that would require a massive amount of $$ in infrastructure everywhere. I can see them doing that in downtown areas, but not everywhere....but I could be wrong...vision doesn't cut it in severe weather conditions, and lidar doesn't tell you if you are in your lane or over the line.

Then of course, there's road construction, which will throw another wrench into the works.

I think you are describing what’s required to get to a near “perfect” level of driving. I don’t believe the market is going to require that - we don’t require it for any other level of automation.

More likely real life hurdle is getting to an actuarially acceptable risk level. That is - ability to deliver driving in all conditions at a safety level that exceeds human drivers. I personally think we will reach that in next 10 years even without an interconnected vehicle network

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