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Given his background, it would not surprise me in the least if Vivek's personal holdings and his ETF are short on Rivian.
And this is why I think politicians should not be picked from the richest among us who have an incredible vested interest in policy.
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And this is why I think politicians should not be picked from the richest among us who have an incredible vested interest in policy.
While I understand your sentiment, I'd argue that poor people have more to gain from using the levers of government power to their benefit than rich people do. Some of the most notorious abusers of political power came from very humble backgrounds.

That's not to say that rich people abuse power less, only that a person's wealth is not a good predictor of their penchant for using power to their own advantage.
 

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While I understand your sentiment, I'd argue that poor people have more to gain from using the levers of government power to their benefit than rich people do.
Well then they don’t seem to be as good at it as the rich. Wealth is being consolidated - not distributed.
 

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Most people here “I wouldn’t loan my personal money to Rivian”, but “ I am all for government loaning to Rivian” This is why we are in 36 trillions in debt!
 

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Most people here “I wouldn’t loan my personal money to Rivian”, but “ I am all for government loaning to Rivian” This is why we are in 36 trillions in debt!
Why do you keep ducking my question? I've asked you 3 times now.

What was your opinion on the subject in 2010 when Elon accepted the same DOE loan to build a new factory (Fremont)? Were you super concerned about government debt back then? :rolleyes:
 

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Loaning 460 millions to Tesla in 2010 was a risk, but made sense; job creation + triggering EV revolution. Turned out to be A huge success!

Loaning 6.6 billions to Rivian in 2025?
Tesla was a trailblazer in 2010. Rivian in 2025?
Let’s stop this nonsense of Rivian deserving the loan since Tesla got it 14 yrs ago. Very likely Rivian will go bankrupt. It just can’t sell its vehicles and demand is low unlike Tesla 14 yrs ago.
 
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Loaning 460 millions to Tesla in 2010 was a huge success; job creation + EV revolution.

Loaning 6.6 billions to Rivian in 2025?
Tesla was a trailblazer, Rivian in 2025?
Let’s stop this nonsense of Rivian deserving the loan since Tesla got it 12 yrs ago. Very likely Rivian will go bankrupt. It just can’t sell its vehicles.
Too big to fail.
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Loaning 460 millions to Tesla in 2010 was a huge success; job creation + EV revolution.

Loaning 6.6 billions to Rivian in 2025?
Tesla was a trailblazer, Rivian in 2025?
Let’s stop this nonsense of Rivian deserving the loan since Tesla got it 12 yrs ago. Very likely Rivian will go bankrupt. It just can’t sell its vehicles.
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Tesla sold 400 Roadsters in 2010. That's it.

Being a "trailblazer" makes it more risky, not less:facepalm: And Tesla was in trouble in 2010 just like every automaker after the 2008 recession started.
 

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Tesla sold 400 Roadsters in 2010. That's it.

Being a "trailblazer" makes it more risky, not less:facepalm: And Tesla was in trouble in 2010 just like every automaker after the 2008 recession started.
Someone should change their name to Musky Head. "Rivian Head" is just false advertising.
 

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Most people here “I wouldn’t loan my personal money to Rivian”, but “ I am all for government loaning to Rivian” This is why we are in 36 trillions in debt!
Like many things you post, this statement clearly illustrates that you know nothing about the national debt and what is driving It. Hint - it’s not defaults on loans to start ups. Not. Even .Close.
 

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Most people here “I wouldn’t loan my personal money to Rivian”, but “ I am all for government loaning to Rivian” This is why we are in 36 trillions in debt!
Again, who is "most people here"? Now you're just making stuff up. But thank you for exposing yourself as a Rivian hater. Why are you even on this forum? ?

Edit: I see. From your post history you are clearly a shill for Elmo. Good luck with your dumpster on wheels. Surely you have something better to do with what little time you have remaining than worry about what kind of truck a complete stranger decide to drive?

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Most people here “I wouldn’t loan my personal money to Rivian”, but “ I am all for government loaning to Rivian” This is why we are in 36 trillions in debt!
We're 36 Trillion in debt due to helping an innovative American company in a strategically important industry finance a manufacturing plant that will create thousands of jobs and also be repaid with interest?

Here I thought it was 20 years of unnecessary war fighting over oil in the Middle East and multiple massive regressive tax cuts that weren't offset with corresponding spending reductions.

I remember when Clinton left and everyone was talking about what to do with the surplus.
 

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Loaning 460 millions to Tesla in 2010 was a risk, but made sense; job creation + triggering EV revolution. Turned out to be A huge success!

Loaning 6.6 billions to Rivian in 2025?
Tesla was a trailblazer in 2010. Rivian in 2025?
Let’s stop this nonsense of Rivian deserving the loan since Tesla got it 14 yrs ago. Very likely Rivian will go bankrupt. It just can’t sell its vehicles and demand is low unlike Tesla 14 yrs ago.
The Chinese subsidize businesses and sectors critical to the nation's economic success and conquering foreign markets. For them, it is a matter of national security, and it works. in the 70s and 80s, this strategy eviscerated US goods from Target and Walmart--they are still nowhere to be seen on the US retail scene. Now China is coming after semiconductors, the US auto industry, and solar.

China is not inhibited by high minded thinking, centered on a 1950s-US-test tube-theory, Ayn Rand novel. (damn good book). China is aiming to win at any cost. The morale indignation towards subsidies and loans just doesn't jive with the economic peril in front of this country, nor the tactics our adversaries are using. The folks who can not afford a Rivian are the ones who will benefit the most from them being built in the USA. I am sure you fancy yourself as patriotic, but I wonder if your laissez faire opinions actually dovetail with your intentions.
 
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The Chinese subsidize businesses and sectors critical to the nation's economic success and conquering foreign markets. For them, it is a matter of national security, and it works. in the 70s and 80s, this strategy eviscerated US goods from Target and Walmart--they are still nowhere to be seen on the US retail scene. Now China is coming after semiconductors, the US auto industry, and solar.

China is not inhibited by high minded thinking, centered on a 1950s-US test-tube-theory, Ayn Rand novel. (damn good book). China is aiming to win at any cost. The morale indignation towards subsidies and loans just doesn't jive with the economic peril in front of this country, nor the tactics our adversaries are using. The folks who can not afford a Rivian are the ones who will benefit the most from them being built in the USA. I am sure you fancy yourself as patriotic, but I wonder if your laissez faire opinions actually dovetail with your intentions.
Same way South Korea subsidize their industries, as part of their greater national economic and security policy. It's “OMG BAD!" when China does it simply because they are a socialist state and an adversary, with history of a hot proxy war against the US (Korean War, a war that never really ended). US foreign & trade policy is rife with double standards.
 
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Everyone has to have some standards.

I prioritize purchasing goods made in democratic countries whenever possible.

I hope that standard continues to include the USA.

Very best wishes!
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