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just an FYI, keep in mind that the CS folks have less information than what is known on these forums. It is better to search these forums to get information than to ask CS.
What’s really sad is it seems like that’s true for the guides as well. They really are to be giving their people in charge of the indicating with customers the full information.
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I'd actually like to be able to set the rate for different reasons. Mostly, so I can time the charging finish with my meal/whatever errand I'm running.
For L2 ( at least in the Tesla) you can set the rate but not for L3. Not sure from an infrastructure sharing perspective being able to downgrade the L3 for slower charging would be good. I would be frustrated if someone pulled in and consumed the L3 charger for 3 hours while I was waiting to charge.
 

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For L2 ( at least in the Tesla) you can set the rate but not for L3. Not sure from an infrastructure sharing perspective being able to downgrade the L3 for slower charging would be good. I would be frustrated if someone pulled in and consumed the L3 charger for 3 hours while I was waiting to charge.
I know... but maybe the chargers should charge a minimum if you're under 50kwh?

Having a super fast car that charges in 18 minutes (Hyundia Ioniq 5 or something) is annoying when it's too long to wait, and you can't get a 30 minute meal without slow-roll problems. That's all :)

The other use case for limiting L2 charging is the slow-roll fee for EA, etc. They charge like $30/hour to forget to move it. But I want to charge overnight from the nearby hotel. Actively charging is only $5/hour at full rate, or $2/hr at slow rate.
 

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For L2 ( at least in the Tesla) you can set the rate but not for L3. Not sure from an infrastructure sharing perspective being able to downgrade the L3 for slower charging would be good. I would be frustrated if someone pulled in and consumed the L3 charger for 3 hours while I was waiting to charge.
Both the EQS and Taycan have a "battery saving" mode for L3 charging. They are still charging fairly fast, it's just say 100kw instead of 180 for the EQS.

This would be really good for people in an urban environment who have to DCFC a lot and are worried about degradation.
 

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My issue is more about blocking the chargers.

In SoCal there are a lot of Superchargers that get queued up with all of the cars we have here. Especially the slower Superchargers. I can imagine as the number of EVs out there grows and more people having limited at home charging capability, you would want to cycle through as fast as possible to allow others in.

We can see how it goes with the number of available chargers. I’ll be home charging the Rivian 90% of the time so for me limited impact.
 

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So interestingly, Rivian announced 800V architecture plans with their in-house motors as well as updates to their inverter and on-board charger during the earnings call. You can see more or less what was said in the shareholder letter for Q4 2021 as well. It's unclear when they'll cut over to 800V, but probably safe to assume anything that comes with the in-house motors will be on it vs the 400V system with the Bosch motors. Makes me wonder if having a max pack preorder will wind up being a good thing since it'll probably mean a 2024 delivery for me. They also mentioned adding a heat pump at some point.
 

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So interestingly, Rivian announced 800V architecture plans with their in-house motors as well as updates to their inverter and on-board charger during the earnings call. You can see more or less what was said in the shareholder letter for Q4 2021 as well. It's unclear when they'll cut over to 800V, but probably safe to assume anything that comes with the in-house motors will be on it vs the 400V system with the Bosch motors. Makes me wonder if having a max pack preorder will wind up being a good thing since it'll probably mean a 2024 delivery for me. They also mentioned adding a heat pump at some point.
My guess is no. The new motors have 300 horsepower I think you would need to charge configurations. That is where someone was speculating a hyped up quad motor with 1200 horsepower could be coming.
 

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My guess is no. The new motors have 300 horsepower I think you would need to charge configurations. That is where someone was speculating a hyped up quad motor with 1200 horsepower could be coming.
They can very easily de-rate the motor by just supplying it with less current in software. That won't be a limiting factor. It was implied that they would be using the in-house motors for the quad-motor setup as well as dual-motor. The letter stated the new motor would debut in the EDV later in 2022 and in the dual-motor in late 2023. They also mentioned 100 test EDVs already had the new motor in use.
 

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My issue is more about blocking the chargers.

In SoCal there are a lot of Superchargers that get queued up with all of the cars we have here. Especially the slower Superchargers. I can imagine as the number of EVs out there grows and more people having limited at home charging capability, you would want to cycle through as fast as possible to allow others in.

We can see how it goes with the number of available chargers. I’ll be home charging the Rivian 90% of the time so for me limited impact.
I knew where you were going with it. I think you'd get more bang for your buck charging people an arm and a leg for going above 80% or something than worrying about someone reducing their peak charging rate from 180 to 100+ kw (I don't remember what the EQS value is when you limit it).
 

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I knew where you were going with it. I think you'd get more bang for your buck charging people an arm and a leg for going above 80% or something than worrying about someone reducing their peak charging rate from 180 to 100+ kw (I don't remember what the EQS value is when you limit it).
As someone with a tiny battery, hell no to charging more for over 80%. I often have to charge closer to 85-95% with DCFC to get enough range. That said, with a tiny battery it also means I've pretty much never on a charger more than 20-30 min anyway.
 
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I'd actually like to be able to set the rate for different reasons. Mostly, so I can time the charging finish with my meal/whatever errand I'm running.
Not sure what errands you run, but my Hummer was down to 28kW at 81% when I unplugged it on a 350kW EA station. The last 20% would take around 90 minutes at that rate. Not sure if it will always taper that bad at 80% or if it was just a fluke, was the first and only DCFC I have done to that level.
 

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As someone with a tiny battery, hell no to charging for more over 80%. I often have to charge closer to 85-95% with DCFC to get enough range. That said, with a tiny battery it also means I've pretty much never on a charger more than 20-30 min anyway.
I can't decide whether to tease you for having a small battery, or suggest alternative schemes that are imperfect for managing charger congestion.
 

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I see stuff like this repeated a lot. According to the latest J1772 spec, DC Level 2's maximum current is 400A. But there's no physical limitation to the maximum current like there is with AC Level 2. (If you're not aware, the maximum signalling possible is 80A on L2. It's physically impossible to signal higher.)

The CharIN DC CCS stuff is all an extension on this specification that introduces power classes where the highest ones are " ≥500A@500V ". There is no "cannot be higher than 500A" for CCS, it's open ended on purpose. As long as the station and car can handle a higher current, there is no technical reason they can't use more current.
Aren't CCS1 connectors described by IEC TS 62196-3-1:2020(E)? Isn't that limited to 500 Amps and 1,500 volts? Am I missing something here? CCS itself can be supplemented, but I thought that as currently implemented with the current connectors the limit is 500 amps.
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quad motor with 1200 horsepower could be coming
It was a recent Motortrend article that speculated a “quad motor with 1200 horsepower could be coming.”
 

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It was a recent Motortrend article that speculated a “quad motor with 1200 horsepower could be coming.”
It would make sense for them to design the new motors to be easily modified to accommodate all variants so they're in full control of that supply chain, reduces variation in the components, and get everything on 800v.
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