Rivian vs Scout

[zefram47]

The Ram Rev looks like a really amazing truck, coming out later this year. Like the Scout (they have both a sole EV and EV plus gas generator), and Ford has sucked since the Great Recession. The stock price has been stuck between $12-14 for like 20 years because they suck so much.

Stellantis has yet to prove they can even make a decent EV. I'm dubious the RAM EREV will be worth a damn.

The number of people who need to tow long distances is small, likely < 25% of truck buyers.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume

Some other sources quote a smaller number, as low as 10%.

Evs aren't "real" trucks and EVs that may pass for "real" trucks are expensive for now.

Guess I'm in the 10-25%. I will say it's currently a PITA beyond maybe 200 miles round trip. I've done a couple 1000 mile round trip tows now. Your stops are still dictated by the charging network and many locations aren't ideal for charging without dropping the trailer...royal PITA. Then at least when it comes to Rivian, charging performance sucks if you need to charge over 72% SoC, which is almost every stop while towing. There have been legs where I needed to charge as deep as 94% and it takes *forever*.

Some charging stations are better than others for layout and where options exist I usually use satellite view on Maps or photos in PlugShare to choose my location based on what looks easier. Front charge port makes life much easier if you want to have less need to drop the trailer. Some sites there's no choice and you have to hope you can keep the trailer close to keep an eye on it.

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[Throwdown]

Why would you say that? Some believe the extended range vehicles will be more desirable in America than regular EVs? Ram has the Ram Rev coming out this year (700 miles!)

Im fairly certain the Ram Rev wont make it to market. The last i heard the v6 couldn't keep up with the demand when acting as a generator and they started talking about putting a hemi in it

 

[Christopher1000]

Im fairly certain the Ram Rev wont make it to market. The last i heard the v6 couldn't keep up with the demand when acting as a generator and they started talking about putting a hemi in it

That's interesting. Did they say why? Where did you hear this from?

 

[Thedude]

Im fairly certain the Ram Rev wont make it to market. The last i heard the v6 couldn't keep up with the demand when acting as a generator and they started talking about putting a hemi in it

The V6 powers a 130kw generator which is more than enough to keep up with demand. I haven’t seen anything saying it can’t provide enough energy.

 

[Throwdown]

The V6 powers a 130kw generator which is more than enough to keep up with demand. I haven’t seen anything saying it can’t provide enough energy.

Correct, however if the v6 needs to be zinging at 5k rpm to keep up, thats a no bueno. Any idea how loud that would be when it needed to go into gas generator mode?

 

[Throwdown]

That's interesting. Did they say why? Where did you hear this from?

Some forums, as Ram is jumping the shark to go back to hemis, since its the only thing they can make that isnt an absolute dud. Also EVERY plug in jeep ever made has been recalled with no fix, you dont want a High Voltage stellantis product even if they ever make one.

 

[BanditTA]

I was debating waiting on the Terra but gave up when I started hearing a release date of March 2030 (sounds like they’ll focus on the SUV first). Bought a new R1T a couple weeks ago and traded in my Gladiator Mojave for it.

The Terra is more of a full size pickup so I think it may be too big for my needs anyways. I wanted a truck that handled nicely on the road too. The Terra has more of an old school off road geared suspension. Obviously depends on what your needs are.

I like the looks of the Terra and the Cabana roof option. Wish the Rivian would’ve had a removable top option. That’s the only aspect I miss from my Gladiator.

 

[NY_Rob]

Also EVERY plug in jeep ever made has been recalled with no fix..

That's completely inaccurate, the 68C battery recall is available for every 4Xe ever made. I had mine done, my battery passed with flying colors and now I've got an unlimited miles unlimited age warranty on the battery for any of the recall issues. Hardly the disaster you're describing.

 

[Engi_Nerd]

The exterior and interior designs and hybrid physical UI Scout came up with are all 10/10.

The problems creep in with their claimed starting price, which was always a preposterous red flag for what they're showing. The more I think about EREVs, the more I think it's unlikely to work. Batteries are getting cheaper, and shrinking the pack by half or 2/3rds is unlikely to offset the cost of an ICE generator and all the baggage it brings. Not to mention putting the generator at the back to keep the frunk and reduce NVH will impair towing, which is the major reason to have the gas engine in the first place.

This thing is going to come to market late, with a weird and compromised drivetrain, for a ridiculous price, and VW reliability.

 

[Throwdown]

That's completely inaccurate, the 68C battery recall is available for every 4Xe ever made. I had mine done, my battery passed with flying colors and now I've got an unlimited miles unlimited age warranty on the battery for any of the recall issues. Hardly the disaster you're describing.

Try again, not inaccurate at all, evey one made has been recalled, and the permanent fix is still not available. Whatever you got im glad you're happy with it though.

 

[iansriv]

I'd wait till it's actually produced.

 

[CrazyOne]

Stellantis has yet to prove they can even make a decent EV. I'm dubious the RAM EREV will be worth a damn.



Guess I'm in the 10-25%. I will say it's currently a PITA beyond maybe 200 miles round trip. I've done a couple 1000 mile round trip tows now. Your stops are still dictated by the charging network and many locations aren't ideal for charging without dropping the trailer...royal PITA. Then at least when it comes to Rivian, charging performance sucks if you need to charge over 72% SoC, which is almost every stop while towing. There have been legs where I needed to charge as deep as 94% and it takes *forever*.

Some charging stations are better than others for layout and where options exist I usually use satellite view on Maps or photos in PlugShare to choose my location based on what looks easier. Front charge port makes life much easier if you want to have less need to drop the trailer. Some sites there's no choice and you have to hope you can keep the trailer close to keep an eye on it.

Agree, it's definitely a PITA. I would even buy EV if I was driving long distances all the time, let alone towing. Between cost of L3 charging and inconvenience, I wouldn't. But EVs work very well for me since I don't do a lot of road trips.

Rev comes at a price premium though and it limits sales. We are talking about taking an expensive thing(BEV) and then making it more expensive.

 

[NY_Rob]

Try again, not inaccurate at all, evey one made has been recalled, and the permanent fix is still not available. Whatever you got im glad you're happy with it though.

You're citing old info.. this is 2026 and the battery recall campaign and the software/hardware fix is available... below is the official NHTSA status for my 2024 4xe. 68C is the battery recall, I had it performed back the spring of this year.

FWIW- no dealer in the USA is allowed to sell a vehicle with an open/no-remedy NHTSA safety recall on it. When there was no "Remedy" for the Jeep battery issue every single Jeep dealer had a national "Stop Sale" on the 4xe line. You could not purchase one at any Jeep or even used car dealership. Once 68C was approved and the inspections done, Jeep dealers could once again sell 4xe vehicles just like they can today. Just more proof for you that there are no unresolved Jeep 4xe recall ongoing at this time.

Anyway, I'm not going to belabor the point, because this is a Scout thread, but there are no current battery recalls on Jeeps if you had 68C performed.

 

[renderpaz]

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