Scout Launch Delayed to 2028: Report [ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[Dark-Fx]

Agreed.

I think Rivian hit the product-market fit sweet spot with the R1S. It's the right blend of luxury + capability + family mover to appeal to a decent sized crowd of people.

I think the sweet spot in the truck market involves less luxury and more functionality. Rivian would have a sales winner with a truck market if they could get something in the general R2 price range. Or even a lower-trim model of the R1T with fewer luxury touches, and maybe a traditional suspension.

When I look at the R2, I'm very reminded of the target market for the 4Runner. There's obvious differences, but it's impossible to not think about cross shopping them. Heck, they're even coming in at a comparable price point. A Tacoma equivalent would take the small/med truck market by storm.

I wasn't going to share this, but I used my R1S to get some 8' 4x4s and 12' 2x4s last week, and it worked great for it.

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[Thedude]

Nice plate.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

If I remember correctly Scout’s CEO admitted they only thought of the EREV version shortly before the unveiling event. Which is a giant ask from engineering after they designed the EV version. I suspect it’s a total redesign to get a gas engine in there that can provide enough power. And as others have pointed out it’s probably going to have to be a really big engine, not the four cylinder they keep claiming will do the job.

I think they were also blindsided by how many people chose EREV over pure EV. I think it was 80/20 EREV over EV. So there in a pickle where the vast majority of their customers want something they more than likely can’t deliver… so pushing by a year is only the first of many tactics. They shouldn’t have promised to launch with EREV.

I put in a reservation for a pure EV Scout during the announcement event. I knew even when they said 2027, it’d realistically be 2028 or 2029. My warranty for my R1S expire at the end of 2028 and I figured I could trade to the Scout then, but I think probably in 2028 I’ll get the Rivian extended warranty (if they offer it in California by then), OR trade my R1S for an R2 or R3X OR a R1S Gen 3.

I actually went to a focus group in LA for the Scout months before the official announcement. They initially presented the vehicle as EV only and at the end asked if I'd also be interested in in a cheaper EREV version with increased combined range. I still said I'd prefer the EV version as I am all in on EVs, but did acknowledge that the EREV version could appeal to some users that didn't want full EV due to range anxiety. Perhaps the feedback during the focus group I went to helped sway their opinion on EREV.

 

[VandalSibs]

I actually went to a focus group in LA for the Scout months before the official announcement. They initially presented the vehicle as EV only and at the end asked if I'd also be interested in in a cheaper EREV version with increased combined range. I still said I'd prefer the EV version as I am all in on EVs, but did acknowledge that the EREV version could appeal to some users that didn't want full EV due to range anxiety. Perhaps the feedback during the focus group I went to helped sway their opinion on EREV.

Did they really say cheaper? Considering they don't have any pricing info other than starting price of $60k (and no indication of if that's the EV or EREV version), that surprises me.

 

[Tim-in-CA]

Did they really say cheaper? Considering they don't have any pricing info other than starting price of $60k (and no indication of if that's the EV or EREV version), that surprises me.

Exact pricing details were not provided, but it was alluded to be less. Maybe that will change with final pricing. They may ask different people different questions to gauge interest. This was a one-on-one review of the concept not a group session.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I actually went to a focus group in LA for the Scout months before the official announcement. They initially presented the vehicle as EV only and at the end asked if I'd also be interested in in a cheaper EREV version with increased combined range. I still said I'd prefer the EV version as I am all in on EVs, but did acknowledge that the EREV version could appeal to some users that didn't want full EV due to range anxiety. Perhaps the feedback during the focus group I went to helped sway their opinion on EREV.

My response in a similar situation was "if there was a market for EREV, they would already exist" I mean I may be able to convince someone into an EREV over gas, but it's going to have to be comparable in EV only mode, and have enough power in EREV mode to get over the Rockies while towing if you started off with a depleted battery.

 

[mclark2112]

I cancelled my preorder. Yes, it was only $100, but I have lost interest. My R1S is fantastic, and hopefully I can get the R2 in my hands before the lease extension ends.

 

[blipit]

I looked for real world examples of EREV trucks to compare against the Scout and the only notable example I could find is the BYD Shark. I was curious about how efficient a gas motor could be when it acts purely as a generator, this video covers a Shark taking a 1000 km trip across the Australian Outback

The Ram 1500 REV should be available second half of this year. It has been making rounds at car shows. Has the 3.5L V6 Pentastar that acts as a generator. It gets 20mpg when operating in hybrid mode.

690 mile total range
145 mile electric range
92kwh battery pack (400v)
14,000 towing
2,625 payload
647hp
610tq
0-60 4.5sec

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

The Ram 1500 REV should be available second half of this year. It has been making rounds at car shows. Has the 3.5L V6 Pentastar that acts as a generator. It gets 20mpg when operating in hybrid mode.

690 mile total range
145 mile electric range
92kwh battery pack (400v)
14,000 towing
2,625 payload
647hp
610tq
0-60 4.5sec

On again? I thought they canceled. IMO, it's a loss-loss proposition for shoppers. Cost and depreciation of a EV plus cost of running/maintaining a Pentastar. If one tows enough to need that much range, might as well just stick with a full-on gas or diesel Ram. It's yet another misguided attempt by a legacy auto to convince their ICE customers (and the corporation itself) that EVs can be viable.

 

[M3_R2]

I'm confused. I thought the Ramcharger had the generator...3.6L Pentastar and the Ram REV was the pure electric.

Edit: Checked the ramtruck.ca site. They have mixed up the terms over time but it's currently the 2027 Ram 1500 REV they refer to as having the 3.6L Pentastar V6 Generator. It's as if they have mislabelled this model. Not sure how it's named in the USA.

I have to wonder though how many owners will get lazy and just never plug it in.

If I had 14k lbs to tow, I'd feel much more comfortable using a diesel truck.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I'm confused. I thought the Ramcharger had the generator...3.6L Pentastar and the Ram REV was the pure electric.

The 3.6L Pentastar V6 is the generator.

 

[blipit]

On again? I thought they canceled.

I'm confused. I thought the Ramcharger had the generator...3.6L Pentastar and the Ram REV was the pure electric.

Edit: Checked the ramtruck.ca site. They have mixed up the terms over time but it's currently the 2027 Ram 1500 REV they refer to as having the 3.6L Pentastar V6 Generator. It's as if they have mislabelled this model. Not sure how it's named in the USA.

The EV model was cancelled. The EREV model went on as planned. EREV was once named the Ramcharger, it has since been changed to Ram 1500 REV. It will now get all the normal Ram trims, starting at $60k.

 

[TexasBob]

The EV model was cancelled. The EREV model went on as planned. EREV was once named the Ramcharger, it has since been changed to Ram 1500 REV. It will now get all the normal Ram trims, starting at $60k.

Or not. Stellantis has announced and cancelled more EVs than any company on earth.

Edit: just for nostalgias sake, here is the 2011 Ram PHEV at the Washington Auto Show

 

[skyguyscott]

Exact pricing details were not provided, but it was alluded to be less. Maybe that will change with final pricing. They may ask different people different questions to gauge interest. This was a one-on-one review of the concept not a group session.

If battery technology continues to improve, especially if the salt batteries work out, I would not be at all surprised if a BEV is cheaper than the complex EREV at launch.

 

[Time2Roll]

Not sure why the EREV has to delay the EV. Easier to launch a single configuration.
Get some cash flow while the rest is worked out.

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