Tesla Drivers Have More Car Crashes...

[kozak79]

What about Rivian Drivers?

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-drivers-have-more-car-crashes-than-anyone-else-s-1851110889

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[ndmiller]

How did that picture even happen or did someone park in the space they drove through before rescue showed up?

 

[Dark-Fx]

What about Rivian Drivers?

Only in empty fields.

 

[COdogman]

Alan Ruck has some thoughts

 

[mabowden]

Only in empty fields.

This goes way back!

 

[SANZC02]

What about Rivian Drivers?

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-drivers-have-more-car-crashes-than-anyone-else-s-1851110889

Would be interesting to know. There may be 60k R1s on the road. At 23.54 per 1k that Tesla ranks means Rivian would need to have 1,412 accidents in 2023 to be on par with Tesla.

 

[mikehmb]

What about Rivian Drivers?

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-drivers-have-more-car-crashes-than-anyone-else-s-1851110889

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Consider the source of "study". This probably just a ploy to raise insurance premiums of a certain group of drivers who can afford a certain category of "premium" cars. However, based on my daily experiences with Tesla drivers on a certain stretch of I-405, the notion is plausible.

 

[COdogman]

I would be curious how many of those crashes involved Autopilot or "FSD".

 

[Stickboy46]

I would be curious how many of those crashes involved Autopilot or "FSD".

Zero ... since AP and FSD will turn off .1 seconds before hitting the wall it just swerved you into so the blame goes on the driver of course...

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I think its understandable for a few reasons.

• A Tesla isn't exactly a driver friendly car. So many of the controls are on the touch screen and this distracts drivers from the road.
• Nervous drivers are attracted to Tesla's "self-driving features" without realizing that it's not self driving at all, and you actually need to be a good driver to monitor it.
• Until very recently Tesla lacked basic things like proper blindspot monitoring.
• They're very fast vehicles and this gets people into trouble.
• Like most EV's (aside from Rivian) they're very quiet so you don't get the normal feedback from the motors.
• There does seem to be some UX aspect that results in a lot of unintended acceleration events.
• People seem to put a lot of miles on them and the more miles you put on the more risk you are at.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Zero ... since AP and FSD will turn off .1 seconds before hitting the wall it just swerved you into so the blame goes on the driver of course...

From a liability standpoint the driver is nearly always at fault for an L2 accident (AP/FSD, Driver+, Blue Cruise, etc). The only time the driver isn't at fault might be a failure that prevents the human driver from taking back control, but good luck trying to prove this. As owners of L2 vehicles we need to understand that this is the reality of using these features. That's its not really fair to us from a liability perspective.

From a NHTSA standpoint they are looking at ALL L2 related accidents. They actually have a minimum time that has to pass between the feature turning off and an accident happening before they'll let the L2 system off the hook. So from an NHTSA perspective they do have out backs.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Alan Ruck has some thoughts

You mean he has no thoughts.

He doesn't remember what happened.

 

[COdogman]

You mean he has no thoughts.

He doesn't remember what happened.

Great point. He doesn’t remember but he’s also sure it was the truck malfunctioning?

 

[Killer95Stang]

I think its understandable for a few reasons.

• A Tesla isn't exactly a driver friendly car. So many of the controls are on the touch screen and this distracts drivers from the road.
• Nervous drivers are attracted to Tesla's "self-driving features" without realizing that it's not self driving at all, and you actually need to be a good driver to monitor it.
• Until very recently Tesla lacked basic things like proper blindspot monitoring.
• They're very fast vehicles and this gets people into trouble.
• Like most EV's (aside from Rivian) they're very quiet so you don't get the normal feedback from the motors.
• There does seem to be some UX aspect that results in a lot of unintended acceleration events.
• People seem to put a lot of miles on them and the more miles you put on the more risk you are at.

Don't forget Teslas are cool / hip , the choice of influencers and techies. Not to mention, parents around my area seem to buy them a lot for their younger highschool / college age kids. All of these kinda fall within the higher risk and lower experienced drivers catagories. And like you said above, add a bunch of features that allow them to continue being distracted and you have more accidents. Seems reasonable, at least to me.

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