Tesla trade-ins data

[SANZC02]

It would be interesting to observe the results if Tesla temporarily slashed Model 3 and Model Y prices by $10K. Getting a brand new 2025 Model 3 for $25K might help someone um.. "put aside" their political beliefs for just a split second

It could happen....

Probably not but if it did I see a win/win. The lower margins would keep bringing the stock prices back into some sort of normal P/E range impacting the CEO by billions of dollars but still keeping some people employed.

As for the trade in percent, you can spin numbers anyway you want to make a point without lining but having no real meaning. Tesla had 3% of the new car market in 2024 so what does 1.4% of the trade in market really say. ??

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[tbolts10]

We just traded our Model Y for an R1S. Had zero to do with Elon (I actually like him) and everything to do with us just wanting a larger vehicle. I feel like this is more Tesla not offering what many Americans want which is large vehicles of excess.

 

[riviansmoke]

I enjoy driving my model Y performance, it really is a fun car to drive and was a good value when I bought it comparatively speaking. But I cannot wait to dump it for something that has similar or better specs, looking at an R2 or R3X. I can’t dump it right now without taking a bath, so for now I did the silent protest that some others are doing.

Already have received tons of positive feedback, if nothing else it generates talking points.

 

[Riviot]

The main issue with people dumping their teslas on mass is that it drives down resale value. And that in turn disincentivizes new buyers who dont want to buy a car that is going to depreciate massively in the next few years - even more than average EVs.
Low resale value also forces the seller of new cars to drop their prices and offer Better deals, resulting in reduced revenue.

En masse*

This ain't no Spanish Einstein equation! No mass.


FWIW, my inner cheapskate deal-seeker may be eyeing a cheap used model 3 soon...

 

[DuoRivians]

$120k foundation series cyberbeast with 5k miles is now worth $43k.

I think all Teslas, particularly Cybertrucks, are seeing accelerating rates of depreciation

 

[pamalabama]

He was crazy but still wasn't going completely of the rails until his purchase of Twitter. He has been lying through his teeth for 10 years about FSD and when he removed lidar I knew I would never drive a Tesla. He thinks he can overcome physics with AI and that's just another example of a rich man with a god complex.

This gets repeated so often it is annoying at this point.

Tesla never had lidar. They had radar. CRUISE CONTROL radar. This is useless, cheap radar which is not used for self driving. It is in no way better than vision or really all that useful.

Now in 2025 you can buy cheap forward facing lidars with a FOV of something like 120 degrees. Better than those ugly spinning lidar which no one would buy a car with those on top.

If tesla had access to any kind of lidar back in 2018 they would not have self driving today. The issue is not lidar. It's not radar. Self driving is a compute problem.

Waymo's compute is extremely power hungry and not something you can put in a vehicle you are selling to mass market. Tesla vehicles in 2025 have a minimum of 300 miles range with every single model with relatively tiny battery packs.

The problem is the intent behind FSD was to solve every kind of self driving all at once. And companies like waymo need pretty detailed maps to help guide the car into the decisions it needs to make. Tesla working with limited compute, imperfect maps, and trying to solve all types of self driving at once has led to development being slow.

 

[RandomMcRandomFace]

This gets repeated so often it is annoying at this point.

Tesla never had lidar. They had radar. CRUISE CONTROL radar. This is useless, cheap radar which is not used for self driving. It is in no way better than vision or really all that useful.

Now in 2025 you can buy cheap forward facing lidars with a FOV of something like 120 degrees. Better than those ugly spinning lidar which no one would buy a car with those on top.

If tesla had access to any kind of lidar back in 2018 they would not have self driving today. The issue is not lidar. It's not radar. Self driving is a compute problem.

Waymo's compute is extremely power hungry and not something you can put in a vehicle you are selling to mass market. Tesla vehicles in 2025 have a minimum of 300 miles range with every single model with relatively tiny battery packs.

The problem is the intent behind FSD was to solve every kind of self driving all at once. And companies like waymo need pretty detailed maps to help guide the car into the decisions it needs to make. Tesla working with limited compute, imperfect maps, and trying to solve all types of self driving at once has led to development being slow.

There it is - he’s back! How about we agree - don’t post anymore about FSD until it is what it is called - full self driving: a level 5 self driving suite. That will be any day now, right? It is so hilarious that you repeatedly denigrate Waymo who is far ahead of Tesla in the real world. Yes, Waymo is the one with the problem, not the company who has never delivered on the product it has repeatedly lied about.

 

[pamalabama]

There it is - he’s back! How about we agree - don’t post anymore about FSD until it is what it is called - full self driving: a level 5 self driving suite. That will be any day now, right? It is so hilarious that you repeatedly denigrate Waymo who is far ahead of Tesla in the real world. Yes, Waymo is the one with the problem, not the company who has never delivered on the product it has repeatedly lied about.

Waymo does have a problem. Every self driving car has a problem. No one has solved level 5 self driving.

Tesla probably outperforms waymo in scenarios and waymo outperforms tesla in other scenarios.

And for that matter no self driving car will solve level 5 as it doesn't make sense. You will just improve upon level 4

i think full self driving supervised is a fair name given that FSD is feature complete now. If you can use FSD to take drives for weeks at a time without touching steering or pedals, that is full self driving to me. Now that the car parks itself I think the name is fair

 

[RedRaiderRivian]

Tesla never had lidar. They had radar. CRUISE CONTROL radar. This is useless, cheap radar which is not used for self driving. It is in no way better than vision or really all that useful.

Potato potaato. I've been using Lidar for over 15 years in mapping situations and it's not just a compute problem. It's a differentiation problem between what is visible light and other wavelengths (radar and Lidar are just different wavelengths on the EM spectrum). The best differentiation is when you have infrared, Lidar and 3 color visible spectrum to evaluate how each wavelength is either absorbed or reflected by an object. As I said previously, Musk tried to ignore physics and as Mark Rober just proved in his latest video, Tesla is sorely lacking in basic safety measures because they lack Lidar and radar. People are finally catching on that Musk may be more salesman than visionary.

 

[Robin]

I enjoy driving my model Y performance, it really is a fun car to drive and was a good value when I bought it comparatively speaking. But I cannot wait to dump it for something that has similar or better specs, looking at an R2 or R3X. I can’t dump it right now without taking a bath, so for now I did the silent protest that some others are doing.

Already have received tons of positive feedback, if nothing else it generates talking points.

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[majorfriend]

En masse*

This ain't no Spanish Einstein equation! No mass.


FWIW, my inner cheapskate deal-seeker may be eyeing a cheap used model 3 soon...

Me too.

I love my R1T and won't get rid of it, but I rented a Model 3 a couple months ago and it was fun having a small car to toss around. Been thinking about getting one since and this might be the right opportunity.

 

[majorfriend]

We just traded our Model Y for an R1S. Had zero to do with Elon (I actually like him) and everything to do with us just wanting a larger vehicle. I feel like this is more Tesla not offering what many Americans want which is large vehicles of excess.

I get what you're saying, but Cybertruck is like the definition of large vehicle of excess...

 

[pamalabama]

Potato potaato. I've been using Lidar for over 15 years in mapping situations and it's not just a compute problem. It's a differentiation problem between what is visible light and other wavelengths (radar and Lidar are just different wavelengths on the EM spectrum). The best differentiation is when you have infrared, Lidar and 3 color visible spectrum to evaluate how each wavelength is either absorbed or reflected by an object. As I said previously, Musk tried to ignore physics and as Mark Rober just proved in his latest video, Tesla is sorely lacking in basic safety measures because they lack Lidar and radar. People are finally catching on that Musk may be more salesman than visionary.

The fact that you are using lidar and radar interchangably makes me believe you have little experience with lidar at all.

If you knew anything about the mark rober video, he used AUTOPILOT not FSD. There was a follow up video made by someone else which shows that FSD on HW4 does clearly see the wall. Autopilot does not have the occupancy network that full self driving uses.


Tesla would not have solved self driving if they were using lidar or radar. With vision you can drive exactly like a human does. That means driving slower in adverse conditions.

Waymo has the most advanced sensor suite, powerful compute, HD mapping and they still have limitations.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

And every one of those dumped Tesla's will be purchased by someone happy to get them at a discounted price.

And every one of them bought used from a dealership is one less sold by Tesla.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

The fact that you are using lidar and radar interchangably makes me believe you have little experience with lidar at all.

If you knew anything about the mark rober video, he used AUTOPILOT not FSD. There was a follow up video made by someone else which shows that FSD on HW4 does clearly see the wall. Autopilot does not have the occupancy network that full self driving uses.


Tesla would not have solved self driving if they were using lidar or radar. With vision you can drive exactly like a human does. That means driving slower in adverse conditions.

Waymo has the most advanced sensor suite, powerful compute, HD mapping and they still have limitations.

Does Elon pay you to cheerlead for him on here? He should.

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