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Spacer lifts are bad. Anyone who actually plans to try going off-road with actual obstacles should just avoid this

will likely be easiest on the trim levels that don't have semi-active damping.
Do you have similar concerns for spacer lift just for higher hip point/seating position & roofline? Figure mostly on-road use plus occasional Boy Scout campout, nothing more treacherous than damp gravel, etc.

How does semiactive factor into this? Perhaps not at all?
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What's this do to the warranty?
Federal law does not allow a warranty to be generally denied due to aftermarket parts. "They" would have to be able to show that whatever problem one is making a warranty claim for was directly caused by the specific modification(s).
 

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This slightly lifted version of the R2 is the best looking version I’ve seen yet.

Should Rivian release a “trail package” that provides with a suspension lift for the R2?

Maybe we’ll see something like this from RAD?
 

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Do you have similar concerns for spacer lift just for higher hip point/seating position & roofline? Figure mostly on-road use plus occasional Boy Scout campout, nothing more treacherous than damp gravel, etc.

How does semiactive factor into this? Perhaps not at all?
On-road...you're increasing the CV axle angles which will cause a small amount of additional wear. Obviously you'd be increasing the entry height. That may not be an issue, but for some it will be more of a pain on the daily especially if you frequently have older folks trying to get in and out. Steps aren't necessarily the answer there (assuming there are even mount points available) as regular steps just create places to get hung up on off-road where a proper rock slider has a smooth bottom for rocks to slide along rather than causing body damage. For your use case, I doubt there will be an issue with clearance unless you're routinely going places the average Subaru (likely even Wilderness trims that sit higher) can't go. It's also worth mentioning that any lift will impact range, though to what extent is questionable. I almost never run my R1 in daily driving in anything but the Standard ride height as the two lower heights are very uncomfortable on the Gen1 suspension. On rare occasions I'll use Conserve mode and Low ride height, but I'm assuming most of the small range increase from doing that comes from running FWD only vs all four motors.

As for the semi-active dampers, an actual suspension swap vs spacers would either need to be semi-active *or* someone will probably figure out what resistance the R2 expects when the harness is connected to each shock and just make a resistor that you can plug in to make the R2 "think" that the shocks are plugged in and function correctly even though they'll have been swapped out.
 

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This is basically a collar lift. I had the westcott collar lift on my 23 Tundra TuRD Pro. Its awful. Very harsh ride. I had to take it off. I hated driving my truck with it. If you are areas with rough roads, its going to be paintful.
This is a completely baseless insinuation of what to expect - everyone should simply disregard.

Our kit 'specifically' was designed to recenter the shock and maintain ride quality, in the first two seconds of googling that westcott kit I can see they didn't bother to do that. So ya, thanks, but no basis to this comment.
 

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On-road...you're increasing the CV axle angles which will cause a small amount of additional wear. Obviously you'd be increasing the entry height.

Steps aren't necessarily the answer there

For your use case, I doubt there will be an issue with clearance unless you're routinely going places the average Subaru (likely even Wilderness trims that sit higher) can't go.

It's also worth mentioning that any lift will impact range, though to what extent is questionable.
Good info, thanks.

Yep, would take on some CV risk and loss of range for increased in/out & roof height. Boy Scout campouts only get tricky on water and no, I won’t be fording. Would never want running boards/side steps.
 

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Spacer lifts are bad. Anyone who actually plans to try going off-road with actual obstacles should just avoid this and wait for suspension upgrades that use longer dampers and springs to also get better articulation. I was in the Toyota off-road community for quite a while and we'd usually see a bunch of folks start coming on trail runs with just a spacer lift to save money and soon after would realize their mistake and pony-up for a real suspension lift. Obviously the real-deal doesn't exist yet, but I'm sure in due time they will and will likely be easiest on the trim levels that don't have semi-active damping.

Spacer lifts are bad....says who? No claims to extended articulation were made. No reason to claim spacer lifts are bad, when they are done right - like this.


Gang, sorry to burst some bubbles here but EV's have very short CV joints, very much constrains what 'can be done', so don't count on any full-boogie replacement arm / extended articulation lifts unless Rivian totally re-engineers to much narrower motor packs, or massively moving wheels outboard and cutting up fenders.
 

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On-road...you're increasing the CV axle angles which will cause a small amount of additional wear. Obviously you'd be increasing the entry height. That may not be an issue, but for some it will be more of a pain on the daily especially if you frequently have older folks trying to get in and out. Steps aren't necessarily the answer there (assuming there are even mount points available) as regular steps just create places to get hung up on off-road where a proper rock slider has a smooth bottom for rocks to slide along rather than causing body damage. For your use case, I doubt there will be an issue with clearance unless you're routinely going places the average Subaru (likely even Wilderness trims that sit higher) can't go. It's also worth mentioning that any lift will impact range, though to what extent is questionable. I almost never run my R1 in daily driving in anything but the Standard ride height as the two lower heights are very uncomfortable on the Gen1 suspension. On rare occasions I'll use Conserve mode and Low ride height, but I'm assuming most of the small range increase from doing that comes from running FWD only vs all four motors.

As for the semi-active dampers, an actual suspension swap vs spacers would either need to be semi-active *or* someone will probably figure out what resistance the R2 expects when the harness is connected to each shock and just make a resistor that you can plug in to make the R2 "think" that the shocks are plugged in and function correctly even though they'll have been swapped out.
Nailed it. One glance at pictures of the pieces included, it's clear it changes only one variable in the entire suspension and drivetrain geometry: total height between bottom mounting point of the shock and the mounting point/surface of entire shock assembly to chassis, while everything else is unchanged. This means you are changing one parameter out of what the entire system was engineered for and accounted for. And lacking detailed information, 1.6" could even be out side of max factory adjustment range for acceptable alignment. EVs are already hard on tire wear. Those interested should think about what they could be getting themselves into and whether the downsides are acceptable. There are always tradeoffs.

I saw on reddit some people saying 1.6" isn't enough, without realizing 1.6" is probably the max amount EVS is comfortable selling, without having adverse effects manifest within their warranty period for the kit. Beyond that, the customer is on their own. I'm not passing judgement and saying it's bad business behavior. It is just what it is: the nature of the aftermarket business and mods.
 

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This is a completely baseless insinuation of what to expect - everyone should simply disregard.

Our kit 'specifically' was designed to recenter the shock and maintain ride quality, in the first two seconds of googling that westcott kit I can see they didn't bother to do that. So ya, thanks, but no basis to this comment.
I think you can put to rest a lot of people’s worries if you’re willing to backstop the Rivian warranty in case Rivian decides to cancel theirs based on a customer’s installing your product. You know, put your money where your mouth is.
 

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Nailed it. One glance at pictures of the pieces included, it's clear it changes only one variable in the entire suspension and drivetrain geometry: total height between bottom mounting point of the shock and the mounting point/surface of entire shock assembly to chassis, while everything else is unchanged. This means you are changing one parameter out of what the entire system was engineered for and accounted for. And lacking detailed information, 1.6" could even be out side of max factory adjustment range for acceptable alignment. EVs are already hard on tire wear. Those interested should think about what they could be getting themselves into and whether the downsides are acceptable. There are always tradeoffs.

I saw on reddit some people saying 1.6" isn't enough, without realizing 1.6" is probably the max amount EVS is comfortable selling, without having adverse effects manifest within their warranty period. Beyond that, the customer is on their own. I'm not passing judgement and saying it's bad business behavior. It is just what it is: the nature of the aftermarket business and mods.

We have specific reasons for 1.6" :like: and not more
 

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Does the kit differ based on model? Semiactive vs. not? Drop down has four options.

Can you post install instructions? Would like to give indy shop a look at them.
Our kit 'specifically' was designed to recenter the shock and maintain ride quality
Does the kit differ based on model and/or with/without semiactive? Four (model) choices in drop down menu.

Also can you post install instructions when ready/final? Want to socialize w/ indy shop re: install (they did our Sienna 2” lift) but not urgent.
 

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I think you can put to rest a lot of people’s worries if you’re willing to backstop the Rivian warranty in case Rivian decides to cancel theirs based on a customer’s installing your product. You know, put your money where your mouth is.
Not even sure what you're asking?
 

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Does the kit differ based on model and/or with/without semiactive? Four (model) choices in drop down menu.

Also can you post install instructions when ready/final? Want to socialize w/ indy shop re: install (they did our Sienna 2” lift) but not urgent.
Yes we have things sorted out for each suspension option. We will include instructions yes.
 

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If Rivian says that they won’t warranty the suspension, lower/upper control arms, half shafts, etc because your product was installed, and something is wrong, then the customer shouldn’t have to deal with the hassle of getting Rivian to fix something.

No one wants to go through the hassle of fighting Rivian with the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act
 

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I think you can put to rest a lot of people’s worries if you’re willing to backstop the Rivian warranty in case Rivian decides to cancel theirs based on a customer’s installing your product. You know, put your money where your mouth is.
Is that the way automotive aftermarket works? I acknowledged CV risk when we lifted Sienna some years ago. I just think that’s part of the game. If you don’t want the risk (and I don’t take on very much) then just stay stock?
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