R2 w/ LiDAR, 19-inch wheels spied

[NinjaWrap]

Rivian has me ordering in the Sept-Oct time frame. Seriously wondering if I should just wait a few months more for Lidar? Tesla and a Chinese EV company have said no to Lidar, so I'm wondering what the best move is?

Reminder that lidar here is used for ground truth validation, not for driving like Waymo does. Tesla uses lidar for ground truth validation as well, but they have to send a fleet of specially equipped cars to each area they want to expand driverless robotaxis to validate before launch. The potential benefit of having lidar in R2 is that everyone who owns one is doing ground truth validation in real time all the time to send back to Rivian. Tesla will never send a lidar fleet to my town.

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[Zathras]

Meanwhile I ask RA if my center floor vents are on and it says no (wrong) and then I ask to turn the rear vents on high and it says sorry can only pick speeds 1-4...

What makes me think it's true is it sounds like they trained the AI by some marketing drone, er, person. But who knows? I suppose a car's AI could have ambitions to deceive humanity to make a buck.

 

[Eric9610]

There's zero incentive for the automaker to do this.

There will be when your insurance will not cover it. In no way do I see an insurance company covering it. Imagine the cost of your premium. Why do you think Tesal and Rivian are offering insurance now, its in preparation for the future. I see a future where the owner will need sperate insurance for self-driving and policy will explicitly state it does not cover this.

I enjoy driving and have no need for FSD.

 

[Outdoors]

Another question we ALL need to ask is how long will RIVIAN support the tech in the car? 7 years? 15 years? The simple truth is Apple stops its support for legacy products after X number of years? Will this also be true of Rivian? When this happens will there be an upgrade path towards a new system? Anyone? What does Tesla do? Has this been an issue? I don't own an EV so just curious...

10 year old Tesla. 165 updates. Less than in the beginning. Now maybe 5 or 6 a year. Often security, and minor improvements. Early days excitement, now don't even pay attention.

Not a concern of mine with Rivian. I think more of the line of a car company than a software system. I think it is a misconception on the entire EV industry. A mousetrap that no one can understand.

 

[runwithscissors]

10 year old Tesla. 165 updates. Less than in the beginning. Now maybe 5 or 6 a year. Often security, and minor improvements. Early days excitement, now don't even pay attention.

Not a concern of mine with Rivian. I think more of the line of a car company than a software system. I think it is a misconception on the entire EV industry. A mousetrap that no one can understand.

Never had a Tesla to experience the updates but being a Gen 1 R1S owner, the best updates were to the awful suspension which is still awful but less porpoising, Connect+ & Google Maps, most of the rest were blah to me.

 

[mdpa]

Out of Spec appears to be respected by most on these forums. He likes (and owns) both Rivian and Tesla. According to Kyle, FSD is better than any other option (not even close) and the Model Y should be the default car for most people.

Call it L2 or whatever, but my car routed me from Maryland to Myrtle Beach yesterday and drove 99% of the time coordinating the few charging stops and adjusting on the fly based on my choice of breaks.

 

[Outdoors]

Out of Spec appears to be respected by most on these forums. He likes (and owns) both Rivian and Tesla. According to Kyle, FSD is better than any other option (not even close) and the Model Y should be the default car for most people.

Call it L2 or whatever, but my car routed me from Maryland to Myrtle Beach yesterday and drove 99% of the time coordinating the few charging stops and adjusting on the fly based on my choice of breaks.

Similar experiences. It is wonderful. Hard for those that had AP3 or prior to tell say what AP4 is like. Plenty of empty promises. It is very different. Multi-state driving along with supercharger to supercharger. Getting more and more compliant for face attentiveness as each update occurs.

If the compute is there to match what Tesla has now I would be satisfied. Point A to B hands free eyes attentive. New to the brand of Rivian. Yet I read most timelines seem to be met. Tesla had some merging over time where older equipment was actually ahead for a bit. Yet not forever...

 

[Blue in NC]

Yes. I have a prolonged distaste b/c I paid for FSD nearly 8 years ago and I am still waiting for that which was promised. I didn't expect it right away but I felt like 3-4 years after purchase should have been plenty of time. As a result, I have FSD that I hardly ever use because it's actually more stressful than me just driving. Even if the new system is great, EM's total BS story to early adopters make it very difficult to consider buying another one. I will say that I have otherwise really enjoyed the car and I am in no rush to get rid of it. And if not for the FSD fiasco, I likely would consider getting another one.

 

[Jeremy3292]

Out of Spec appears to be respected by most on these forums. He likes (and owns) both Rivian and Tesla. According to Kyle, FSD is better than any other option (not even close) and the Model Y should be the default car for most people.

Call it L2 or whatever, but my car routed me from Maryland to Myrtle Beach yesterday and drove 99% of the time coordinating the few charging stops and adjusting on the fly based on my choice of breaks.

Yes, I’ve watched this video before. Model Y LR RWD with FSD is probably the best commuter vehicle there is. The point of the discussion here was that the R2 as currently sold can do point to point or FSD like autonomy. RAP1/LIDAR is allegedly needed to do L3 or L4 self driving, something no one has achieved yet, not even Tesla. So my point has been I don’t believe any OEM actually knows what hardware is needed, they’re all just speculating. Rivian should know what hardware is needed for Tesla like FSD bc it exists and the headroom needed can be figured out. Until someone delivers L3 or L4 to consumers and accepts liability for accidents, we won’t know what is needed for self driving higher than what Tesla does today.

 

[mdpa]

Yes. I have a prolonged distaste b/c I paid for FSD nearly 8 years ago and I am still waiting for that which was promised. I didn't expect it right away but I felt like 3-4 years after purchase should have been plenty of time. As a result, I have FSD that I hardly ever use because it's actually more stressful than me just driving. Even if the new system is great, EM's total BS story to early adopters make it very difficult to consider buying another one. I will say that I have otherwise really enjoyed the car and I am in no rush to get rid of it. And if not for the FSD fiasco, I likely would consider getting another one.

Did you update to v14 lite? This update is designed to drastically enhance the experience for those with HW3.

 

[mdpa]

Yes, I’ve watched this video before. Model Y LR RWD with FSD is probably the best commuter vehicle there is. The point of the discussion here was that the R2 as currently sold can do point to point or FSD like autonomy. RAP1/LIDAR is allegedly needed to do L3 or L4 self driving, something no one has achieved yet, not even Tesla. So my point has been I don’t believe any OEM actually knows what hardware is needed, they’re all just speculating. Rivian should know what hardware is needed for Tesla like FSD bc it exists and the headroom needed can be figured out. Until someone delivers L3 or L4 to consumers and accepts liability for accidents, we won’t know what is needed for self driving higher than what Tesla does today.

I don't think it is realistic for any car company to take on all liability for consumers, it's as realistic as someone selling a chainsaw or a gun. Wouldn't be in business long.

 

[strykerwsu]

Vision only systems, in our car by some other mfg, in about 30% of nights tell me they are degraded and can't work. So not sure how that ever becomes driverless

 

[Jeremy3292]

I don't think it is realistic for any car company to take on all liability for consumers, it's as realistic as someone selling a chainsaw or a gun. Wouldn't be in business long.

Not sure how this analogy makes sense. I operate the chainsaw. I shoot the gun. I do NOT drive the car. I am not operating anything. Liability rests with the operator of just about anything and everything.

 

[mdpa]

Vision only systems, in our car by some other mfg, in about 30% of nights tell me they are degraded and can't work. So not sure how that ever becomes driverless

As others have stated, the pace of improvement is so fast that any testing older than 90 days is already outdated. I've been getting updates almost every two weeks since I bought my Y in September.

Tesla just started testing "streaks" a few weeks ago, but I suspect by the end of Summer this scenario will be more common.

 

[strykerwsu]

As others have stated, the pace of improvement is so fast that any testing older than 90 days is already outdated. I've been getting updates almost every two weeks since I bought my Y in September.

Tesla just started testing "streaks" a few weeks ago, but I suspect by the end of Summer this scenario will be more common.

Testing last night still did it. Will keep testing er driving.

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