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Growing efficiency Gap: R2 w/ 21" vs. 20" tire sets

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While anecdotal, it appears that the R2 with 20" wheels may in fact be slightly more efficient that the 21" setup. Some say that it's just the 21" crowd is driving faster, which might be true, interesting none-the-less:

As reported here: Rivian Tires: Compare & Review for R1T, R1S & R2
TireMilesVehiclesMpVMPKRange
20"9184127652.74241
21"5579115072.53223

Update 2, August 17:
A month into R2 testing, the efficiency debate has narrowed considerably. My first test drive was around July 16, when the main question was simply how much real-world highway range the R2 loses relative to EPA estimates. Subsequent testing established a fairly consistent speed curve, with efficiency around 3.0+ mi/kWh near 60–65 mph, ~2.7 near 70 mph, and roughly 2.3 or less approaching 80 mph.

The discussion then shifted to 20-inch vs. 21-inch wheels. EPA data suggest the 21s should have roughly a 7–8% highway efficiency advantage, but the real-world tests collected so far have generally shown the two much closer than that, with some 20-inch results slightly better. The larger Rivian Roamer dataset has also not shown an obvious 21-inch advantage in its raw averages, although those data contain major uncontrolled variables.

Where things stand now: the key question is no longer whether speed matters; it clearly does. The remaining question is whether, after controlling for speed, elevation, trip length, weather, and other variables, the 21s actually deliver the ~7% freeway advantage suggested by EPA testing, or whether the real-world difference is materially smaller.

Update 1: The latest Rivian Roamer data now cover 82 R2s and more than 52,000 miles, with the 20” BFGoodrich Trail-Terrain setup averaging 2.73 mi/kWh versus 2.64 mi/kWh for the 21” Pirelli Scorpion MS, a 3.4% real-world efficiency advantage for the 20s; that is notable because it runs opposite to the EPA data, which imply roughly an 8% highway advantage for the 21s and an even larger advantage at sustained 70–80 mph based on the road-load coefficients. The gap has narrowed from the earlier smaller-sample data, which suggests some early noise is averaging out, but the 20” result has remained remarkably stable around 2.73 mi/kWh as the mileage has increased. Because the Roamer data are not controlled for speed, weather, elevation, HVAC use, or driving style, they cannot prove the 20” setup is inherently more efficient, but combined with the individual highway tests showing little or no clear 21” advantage, they increasingly suggest that the EPA/coastdown testing may overstate the real-world efficiency benefit of the 21” wheel/tire package, potentially because real-world wheel aerodynamics, turbulence, and yaw effects are not fully represented by the certification road-load model.

Any current owners willing to report in with tire size, total mileage, average speed, and efficiency?

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Still very limited data and mileage. 21 "All Seasons have fewer miles driven than the 20" Trail Terrains which we know won't be reality in a month or two.
That seems to be older data. Rivian Roamer is now reporting a lot more miles and vehicles, and the gap has narrowed a bit. Still the A/S 21s are running behind the A/T 20s by about 0.18 miles per kWh. https://rivianroamer.com/guides/tire-efficiency?platform=r2
Thanks, looks to be holding, but may still just be some weird variables...
TireMilesVehiclesMpVMPKRange
20"15429217352.73240
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It would be interesting to see what the efficiency could be with 20" all season tires. I know that the AT tires are sort of more of an AS/AT hybrid, but I wonder if an all season would be better.
There are some interesting 20" tires, I predict the 20" AS (likely the Nexen Roadian HTX2), but likely only improving efficiency by 1-2%…pretty much negligible…
 

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I told my car that I'm still running the stock 21's because of my TPMS issue, seems like it might have repercussions for RR's data even though I told it I'm not running those tires/wheels anymore. My usage doesn't show up on the actual tires I have mounted on the tires page since it's not a tire that's listed on Rivian Trackr's guide (for obvious reasons I guess).

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Maybe I'll swap the TPMS sensors out this weekend or something, but it's a lot of work for the sake of someone else's data.
 
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I told my car that I'm still running the stock 21's because of my TPMS issue, seems like it might have repercussions for RR's data even though I told it I'm not running those tires/wheels anymore. My usage doesn't show up on the actual tires I have mounted on the tires page since it's not a tire that's listed on Rivian Trackr's guide (for obvious reasons I guess).

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Maybe I'll swap the TPMS sensors out this weekend or something, but it's a lot of work for the sake of someone else's data.
That’s a great data point, those the 50# SL or the 54# LT?
….so maybe you are responsible for this efficiency gap?!?
 

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That’s a great data point, those the 50# SL or the 54# LT?
SL. I've also had a tent and stuff on my roof for the last two weeks. Doesn't seem to be a way to differentiate that out of the data either.
 

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out of curiosity, has anyone checked their tire pressures on their R2s? ours was delivered with the tires lower than what was recommended, which would result in lower numbers. I have the 21s. After setting to the right pressures, efficiency has increased so far. I need more data points, but with our driving style, we are getting close to the full range.
 

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SL. I've also had a tent and stuff on my roof for the last two weeks. Doesn't seem to be a way to differentiate that out of the data either.
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I’m guessing it doesn’t reflect average speed anywhere? That said it hard to believe the respective owners drives their car significantly differently. But who knows….
 

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It's either delusional or wishful thinking to believe the 20" AT has more range efficiency than the 21" AS. Just look at the official Rivian numbers - 330 mi on 21" AS and 307 mi on 20" AT. This thread is badly conceived.
 

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out of curiosity, has anyone checked their tire pressures on their R2s? ours was delivered with the tires lower than what was recommended, which would result in lower numbers. I have the 21s. After setting to the right pressures, efficiency has increased so far. I need more data points, but with our driving style, we are getting close to the full range.
Mine were at 44. Let's pump em up to 51 (max psi) and see what range we can get.
 

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Mine were at 44. Let's pump em up to 51 (max psi) and see what range we can get.
Your R1T tire pressures belong in another thread. I believe R2's recommended pressure is 42 psi.
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