Driver+ Not up to current Spec - A Deal Breaker (?)

[astonius]

Whole-heartedly agreed here. It's an adventure lifestyle vehicle. Drive it yourself, ya lazy schmucks!

If I wanted a vehicle with auto-driving (at any level), I would have picked another vehicle instead of the Rivian.

Most of us aren't buying a the Rivian as a single-use adventure vehicle. It's the do-everything vehicle, which it is pretty damn good at, but having a full-featured ADAS would make it that much better.

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[SeaGeo]

Whole-heartedly agreed here. It's an adventure lifestyle vehicle. Drive it yourself, ya lazy schmucks!

If I wanted a vehicle with auto-driving (at any level), I would have picked another vehicle instead of the Rivian.

Eh. I will say I really appreciate ADAS to manage fatigue.

 

[Attesan997]

I just want simple adaptive cruise and lane keep assist. They can keep doing whatever they want with Driver+

 

[smiesguy]

I have enhanced AutoPilot and Supercruise. Agree with other posters that I don't use them frequently, but I do appreciate them particularly on longer road trips. The 2 extremes of empty roads, or stop and go traffic is where I prefer to use them. If Driver + is close to Supercruise I'll be very happy.

 

[lostpacket]

it's going to be a very long time before I'd ever let software drive my car, if ever.

 

[E.S.]

Most of us aren't buying a the Rivian as a single-use adventure vehicle. It's the do-everything vehicle, which it is pretty damn good at, but having a full-featured ADAS would make it that much better.

Even if one doesn't go mudding, off-roading, or adventuring on a frequent basis, the vehicle was designed to be driven by you, not it drive you. I get that people like the feature and I do agree it is a handy feature, but that's not what the Rivians were designed for. They've dropped enough hints that they aim for the driver to engage in driving. There are several EVs that are much better at, and designed towards, ADAS than the Rivian. Again, if that was my goal, I'd aim for one of those vehicles instead.

 

[astonius]

Even if one doesn't go mudding, off-roading, or adventuring on a frequent basis, the vehicle was designed to be driven by you, not it drive you. I get that people like the feature and I do agree it is a handy feature, but that's not what the Rivians were designed for. They've dropped enough hints that they aim for the driver to engage in driving.

I'm not expecting it to do full point-to-point hands-free driving, but considering a $20k Hyundai Elantra has lane centering on unmapped roads I expect my $80k EV with 10 cameras to at least meet that bar.

 

[E.S.]

I'm not expecting it to do full point-to-point hands-free driving, but considering a $20k Hyundai Elantra has lane centering on unmapped roads I expect my $80k EV with 10 cameras to at least meet that bar.

That's your expectation. For me, I am not concerned that a Rivian does lane centering on its own, I want to do that myself. I don't want my driving senses dulled in any way when driving that truck, be it me going to the beach, driving off-road, or even going to the corner supermarket. Again, there are better vehicles out and about that are better suited for that.

 

[astonius]

That's your expectation. For me, I am not concerned that a Rivian does lane centering on its own, I want to do that myself. I don't want my driving senses dulled in any way when driving that truck, be it me going to the beach, driving off-road, or even going to the corner supermarket. Again, there are better vehicles out and about that are better suited for that.

You can turn it off. It's not like you have to use it. You may not care about lane centering, but I would bet the majority of buyers expect it, especially at this price point.

 

[rraj2k81]

I'd be careful with the term "advanced" here.

I am disappointed theh haven't immersed lane centering without mapping. Yes. That could be because they decided to skip that approach philosophically, or it could be tech. But it also sounds like it handles curves very well when it is mapped, better than most others. So which is more advanced?

I had interpreted their original marketing to mean they were implementing hands free. Have they backed off on that, or do they want more data? It's not clear to me.

It also seems to be very inconsistent about where it does work (even when it is mapped). Which is weird. I'd like a road map for anticipated features as well as a literal road map of where you have active lane centering.

For now, I'm holding off judgment. Where it works the tech seems to do a good job. It's just very limited in that. Ford took forever to get blue cruise out, so I think it's fair to give Rivian time to get driver+ more fully baked.

Yeah, I didn't want to use the word 'advanced' but in the scheme of ADAS systems, I felt like most of them are grown up enough to call them advanced, compared to where ADAS systems were 10 years ago.

I do agree, when it works and wherever it works it works really well based on what I have seen in videos and reviews. Which makes me more disappointed that they are limiting it.

Maybe they want more data before they unlock it? Hopefully so.

 

[Rousie13]

I think I used the Autopilot on my Tesla maybe 5 times in the ~20k miles I had it. I also have turned the Lane Keep Assist off on my current Volvo XC40 Recharge. So this does not matter to me in the least. I like to actually DRIVE the vehicle. Lane Keep Assist and adaptive cruise are nice for long trips, but other than that I could care less.

 

[rraj2k81]

Also, your table is missing a lot of other systems. Like Nissan, vw, Volvo,Toyota, etc. ?

LOL, yeah, I only included systems I personally had a chance to test drive, sans Bluecruise. I know the newer Honda/Acura systems are good too, but I haven't had a chance to test them.

 

[SeaGeo]

Yeah, I didn't want to use the word 'advanced' but in the scheme of ADAS systems, I felt like most of them are grown up enough to call them advanced, compared to where ADAS systems were 10 years ago.

I do agree, when it works and wherever it works it works really well based on what I have seen in videos and reviews. Which makes me more disappointed that they are limiting it.

Maybe they want more data before they unlock it? Hopefully so.

let's go with "fully baked".

 

[E.S.]

... You may not care about lane centering, but I would bet the majority of buyers expect it, especially at this price point.

Just so everyone is clear. It's not that I do not care about the feature in general. I don't care about it in a Rivian. Call me old skool all anyone wants, but like to drive myself in a vehicle like that, not be driving by it (even as something as simple as lane centering. Having something as simple as that makes one a lazy driver depending too much on tech, dulling one's own senses and intuition). If I had a Merc EQS or a Lucid, I'd definitely expect that feature and would make use of it no question.

 

[rraj2k81]

let's go with "fully baked".

Agree !

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