If you could be on the CCS or Super Charger network moving forward, which would you choose?

[Autolycus]

Don't want anything controlled by Tesla in my vehicle if I'm not buying a Tesla. Tesla owns the IP, Tesla currently owns every single Tesla-port DCFC station, Tesla owns the protocol. Nope. Especially not after what Elon just did with Twitter. Get him out of Tesla completely, and I might rethink it.

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[domoplaytime]

I see a lot of people conflating the use of the Tesla spec (spec as it is not yet a standard, although Tesla appears to be working toward that) vs using the Tesla Supercharger network.
...Hypothetically speaking, if Rivian wanted to adopt the Tesla spec, they could update the vehicle charging port and re-design their RAN charging stations to conform to the Tesla spec but still have full control of the equipment layout, fees, etc.

Yes, but...

So the question, if you had a configurator in front of you and could choose "CCS" or "Tesla"

So even if our configuration choice applied to the RAN too (makes sense), we still have all the highway driving and towing activities of a multipurpose vehicle that doesn't always take adventures. Aside from hypotheticals, we don't get to separate the spec from the network.

 

[emoore]

I’d never want to locked into anything owned by musk. I’d prefer a tesla to ccs adapter. Best of both worlds then.

 

[Bee]

I think you are confused about what I’m saying.

There is no Tesla “standard.” A standard is technical standard set by international standards organization. Among other things, a company participating in a standard agrees to provide licenses to their intellectual property underlying the standard at FRAND rates. Moreover, it allows development of other compatible infrastructure (i.e., DCFC stations) that are universally compatible with the standard. Consumers benefit when industries agree on technical standards, and it would generally be foolish to want a product that goes against adopted standards in the industry.

There is a CCS standard. The standard is set by the International Electrotechnical Commission.

This has nothing to do with Tesla. If the Tesla plug was the adopted industry standard, then I would certainly prefer the Tesla plug.

Nah, and we agree for the most part. As my edit suggests I reread and came off entirely different than intended. You'll have to excuse my forum awkwardness, you'd think I'd have this down by now after 2+ decades.

Really it was just all about trying to not fork discussions. Sorry again.

 

[Rousie13]

I mean Musk is truly a stand up guy and would never do anything shady or for his own best interest if everyone went to the Tesla adapter, right? I voted for CCS as the TRUE standard. I agree having CCS to Tesla adapter to use at the supercharge networks would be great, but I do not want a Tesla connector on my car, unless I own a Tesla.

 

[HA-Opec]

Seems like a no Brainer. Tesla all the way.
Switching to the connector wouldn't stop competition like EA from building out charging infrastructure, it would just (let's all be honest here) change to a much better connector. If you looked at these two coonectors with an unbiased opinion, and ranked them on use and hardware alone I think it's an easy decision.

The best competition to Tesla charging network is a mandated company derived from diesalgate.. I don't have a lot of fuzzy feelings about the quality and future of a scenario like that without a manufacturer having skin in the game.
Worst case scenario is Tesla charges a few extra cents at thier branded charger locations, who cares!

I believe (not 100% sure) that changing to the Tesla connector would require some additional switching on the vehicle to switch between ac and dc circuits, since CCS splits them physically on the plug.
There would obviously be adapters to support legacy ccs to Tesla until manufacturers move thier plug locations, but seems doable.

 

[electruck]

I think the real measure of where this is all headed will initially not be so much with the vehicle manufacturers but the charging networks such as EA, ChargePoint, EVgo, etc. I can't imaging they won't want to tap into the Tesla market and if they start adding support for the Tesla spec connector, all bets are off as to whether CCS goes the way of the CHAdeMO.

edit: obviously either side (charging network or vehicle manufactures could force a direction).

 

[NY_Rob]

The title of the post is:
If you could be on the CCS or Super Charger network moving forward, which would you choose?

Going from past experience with EV's since 2012.. hands down I'd choose the Tesla Supercharger Network.

OT.. I prefer the sleek Tesla Plug over the ridiculously oversized/clumsy CCS plug too.

 

[HA-Opec]

I think the real measure of where this is all headed will initially not be so much with the vehicle manufacturers but the charging networks such as EA, ChargePoint, EVgo, etc. I can't imaging they won't want to tap into the Tesla market and if they start adding support for the Tesla spec connector, all bets are off as to whether CCS goes the way of the CHAdeMO.

That's a great point. If 3rd party switches to Tesla it would put a lot of pressure to make the switch by manufacturers

My hyper exagerated comparison regarding using the best tool for the job ( charging). Your eating soup, sure you can use a fork, but isn't a spoon a lot better?

 

[electruck]

The title of the post is:
If you could be on the CCS or Super Charger network moving forward, which would you choose?

Ahh... therein lies the confusion. The poll question was stated as "If you could make the R1x have Tesla vs. CCS, which would you choose?"

 

[Tahoe Man]

The question is easy to answer, in no doubt I would rather have the Tesla connector. Their connector is standard on their vehicles, and their customers are very happy with their charging network. You don't need a bunch of special apps on a phone, you pull in, plug in, sit around for a while then leave.

It doesn't matter if the CCS is a "standard" or not. The bottom line is the CCS network is a joke, the reliability of the network is even a bigger joke and the connector is also a joke.

Worse, The EV fanatics are mandating that joe six pack and grandmas figure this all out on their road trip one day. This is how it's suppose to play out on grandmas (or joe six packs) roadtrip:

Grandma is to have a bunch of apps on her phone, which ones she doesn't know. Then she's suppose to try and figure out where the chargers are located at. If she does eventually figure it out (it's not like their easily seen) and if it's mildly cold, she's now suppose to manhandle the cabling and connect somehow. Then she's suppose to figure out if the thing is even working right (Munroe couldn't figure this out either). Then sit in the car around wait and wait and wait. She'll need to figure out if the charging speed is good or she will need to wait two to three hours if it's not. If none of this works out well, then she's asked to go on another app and read others experiences at other charging locations and figure out if those work or not. Oh, last, she'll need to make sure the "smart" navigator doesn't take her to an L2 charger expecting her to wait 14 hours. LMAO!!
Tesla's do none of this.

 

[emoore]

The network being a joke has nothing to do with the connector type. EA would still be the same with the Tesla connector

 

[Bee]

The network being a joke has nothing to do with the connector type. EA would still be the same with the Tesla connector

TBD it could be worse, even. In a situation where charging for some reason in the Supercharger network sucks or can't be used at all, all we've done is inherited Tesla bros to what will probably be a capacity problem over the coming years.

 

[electruck]

The network being a joke has nothing to do with the connector type. EA would still be the same with the Tesla connector

Correct, changing connector types won't improve the reliability of the EA network. However, competition might. If EA were to offer Tesla connectors they would be competing directly with Tesla (and any other networks supporting the Tesla spec) for customers and that might force them to step up their game in terms of network reliability. Currently, none of the CCS networks offer any meaningful competition in terms of network reliability so there is no pressure to improve.

 

[bd5400]

I think the real measure of where this is all headed will initially not be so much with the vehicle manufacturers but the charging networks such as EA, ChargePoint, EVgo, etc. I can't imaging they won't want to tap into the Tesla market and if they start adding support for the Tesla spec connector, all bets are off as to whether CCS goes the way of the CHAdeMO.

edit: obviously either side (charging network or vehicle manufactures could force a direction).

I’m not certain there’s a business case for that though. They would need to look and see where their network has coverage that doesn’t overlap with the supercharger network because Tesla owners are absolutely going to choose a supercharger over a third party company charger if both are available. Even more so when you consider that Tesla owners would need to create accounts, deal with payment, etc. instead of just plugging in and charging.

I think the strength of the supercharger network actually works against third party companies adding the Tesla plug because it’s added cost and complexity for what will likely be low use.

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