Opportunities For Improvement

[s4wrxttcs]

This is where my Taycan does so perfectly. First press of the brakes automatically engages regen. Deeper press (beyond regen capabilities) and the brakes come on to haul the car down. But, doing 75 on the highway, let off accelerator and feel it coast down the hills for a VERY long time.

It also has a button to turn on “recuperation” if I’m in traffic.

I think that should be the model for EVs, personally.

I think it really comes down to having options.

I'm a huge fan of one pedal driving, but not everyone is like me. There are lots of people who want it the way the Taycan is done, and there is no reason I see that it can't be an option.

If you get a chance I hope you do a review of your R1T @15K miles to see how it compares to the Taycan.

Things like:

Tok noise (any kind of annoying mechanical noise on acceleration or declaration)
Suspension noises.
Heated Steering wheel comparison (during winter cold)
Wiper speed at full (I find it slow on the R1T)
Autowipers (I don't find the R1T to be sensitive enough and often wipes a bit late during moderate rain).

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[mikehmb]

I would like to explore this a bit. Would you mind posting a screenshot of your setup. You never connected the PAAK to your vehicle at all (Or connected it previously but have it disabled)?


On my R1T, which is missing the PAAK integration, this is all I see on my app window. As you can see, it tells me the range, but when it’s charging it won’t show me the status. Also won’t allow me to turn on the climate control to pre-heat. These are the screenshots

FYI - once your phone is set up for the truck, you can disable proximity locking. I did for the same reasons you called out.

 

[Quick]

I think it really comes down to having options.

I'm a huge fan of one pedal driving, but not everyone is like me. There are lots of people who want it the way the Taycan is done, and there is no reason I see that it can't be an option.

If you get a chance I hope you do a review of your R1T @15K miles to see how it compares to the Taycan.

Things like:

Tok noise (any kind of annoying mechanical noise on acceleration or declaration)
Suspension noises.
Heated Steering wheel comparison (during winter cold)
Wiper speed at full (I find it slow on the R1T)
Autowipers (I don't find the R1T to be sensitive enough and often wipes a bit late during moderate rain).

I thought about doing the comparison to my Taycan, but it's a little unfair as my Taycan is more than double the price. So I wanted to keep this constructive about what should be improved, and not benchmark it to something that's unrealistic for it's price point and market.

But, since you asked - the Taycan is bank-vault quiet and makes no noises at all. It also has the best heated seats I've experienced (as good as my Audi RS6 was). Same for all of the interior creature comforts.

 

[Oldsmobile_Mike]

In for comments about Android Auto & Apple CarPlay. ?

The built-in apps and nav sucks compared to AA (especially for traffic), and it's pretty annoying to no longer be able to get texts, FB Messenger messages, Teams, etc., right on my central display. Granted, I shouldn't be looking at those anyway, but it's annoying to hear the phone dinging in the center console and not being able to know why. ?

Delivery person when I got my truck said "it's a licensing issue they need to work out". So make of that what you will, LOL.

 

[Trandall]

I would like to explore this a bit. Would you mind posting a screenshot of your setup. You never connected the PAAK to your vehicle at all (Or connected it previously but have it disabled)?

On my R1T, which is missing the PAAK integration, this is all I see on my app window. As you can see, it tells me the range, but when it’s charging it won’t show me the status. Also won’t allow me to turn on the climate control to pre-heat. These are the screenshots

Something isn't right, I too have never set up PAAK and still have app functionality for lock/ unlock, windows, HVAC controls, heated/ ventilated seats... Maybe try un-installing the phone app and re-install it with latest version.
Also while iIm not opposed to an off setting for regen I think you will get accustomed to the one-peddle-drive, I really enjoy it.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I think one pedal driving gives me much finer tuned control over what the vehicle is doing than a brake and gas pedal. A little variation in pressure on the accelerator gives exactly the amount of coast or braking desired.

One pedal takes getting used to and you have to think of it differently. I didn't like test driving the Taycan because even the manual recuperation system is anemic, requiring me to move my foot to the brake pedal every time I need to slow down. Dumb.

 

[Quick]

Something isn't right, I too have never set up PAAK and still have app functionality for lock/ unlock, windows, HVAC controls, heated/ ventilated seats... Maybe try un-installing the phone app and re-install it with latest version.
Also while iIm not opposed to an off setting for regen I think you will get accustomed to the one-peddle-drive, I really enjoy it.

I have done all of that - including with Rivian on the phone. My R1T is going to the SC tomorrow for them to correct it.

This works fine for my R1S, btw.

 

[jakef801]

Too each his own but I find paddle shifters to be unnecessary and to pose a safety risk because you are dividing your attention by having to use them along with the brake.

I’ve been driving EVs with regen braking for 6 years and so I’m deeply
biased to believe every car should be equipped with regen. I agree that there should be user selectable levels but the regen itself should be standard and that after an accommodation period most people will prefer it.

Once you experience one pedal driving in stop and go traffic like on the DC beltway, you will never want to go back.

There are selectable levels of regen.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I thought about doing the comparison to my Taycan, but it's a little unfair as my Taycan is more than double the price. So I wanted to keep this constructive about what should be improved, and not benchmark it to something that's unrealistic for it's price point and market.

But, since you asked - the Taycan is bank-vault quiet and makes no noises at all. It also has the best heated seats I've experienced (as good as my Audi RS6 was). Same for all of the interior creature comforts.

I would say its a fair comparison in terms of basic functionality.

Heated Steering wheel temp
Drive train noises
How well adaptive cruise control works.
Etc

Plus with a Porsche a lot of what you're paying for is the brand name. I've had a Porsche before and I loved it despite options nearly doubling the pricing of it.

 

[quartz]

Too each his own but I find paddle shifters to be unnecessary and to pose a safety risk because you are dividing your attention by having to use them along with the brake.

I’ve been driving EVs with regen braking for 6 years and so I’m deeply
biased to believe every car should be equipped with regen. I agree that there should be user selectable levels but the regen itself should be standard and that after an accommodation period most people will prefer it.

Once you experience one pedal driving in stop and go traffic like on the DC beltway, you will never want to go back.

That's like saying driving a manual poses a safety risk because using the left foot and right hand is distracting ?

I love one-pedal driving on high-regen most of the time, but there are instances when you need to dial it down. E.g. going from good traction onto a slick surface, like ice, forces you to look away to adjust the regen through the UI. Now THAT'S risky!

 

[VSG]

I would like to explore this a bit. Would you mind posting a screenshot of your setup. You never connected the PAAK to your vehicle at all (Or connected it previously but have it disabled)?

I apparently set up a phone key when I first got my vehicle, at the same time I set up and tested my key cards, key fob, and wrist band. I don't remember whether that was required for the vehicle or for the app, but I never even tested it and never had any intention of using it. (I explicitly tested the other keys to make sure they worked).

I have proximity unlocking disabled in my vehicle, and I keep Bluetooth turned off on my phone, and I don't leave the Rivian app running (Android). I use my fob as the primary key and keep a key card in my wallet.

I don't need to turn Bluetooth on to use the controls in the app or to monitor/control the charging.

So yes, it's possible that setting up the phone as a key is the method the app uses to authenticate itself to the vehicle.

 

[SASSquatch]

That's like saying driving a manual poses a safety risk because using the left foot and right hand is distracting ?

I love one-pedal driving on high-regen most of the time, but there are instances when you need to dial it down. E.g. going from good traction onto a slick surface, like ice, forces you to look away to adjust the regen through the UI. Now THAT'S risky!

Do you remember what it was like when you were first learning to drive a stick? Picture someone learning to drive a stick and tell me they aren't distracted.

Someone who isn't used to using both paddles and a brake pedal to accomplish the same think (slowing down) will inherently have more divided attention than someone either simply using a brake pedal or regen braking. Eventually, you will get the hang of it - but why divide your attention when you don't have to?

Couldn't agree more on needed to be able to dial down regen. There are times (especially in snow) where high regen is not helpful. I think there needs to be user selectable levels so that folks can pick the right regen for the situation.

 

[Quick]

I apparently set up a phone key when I first got my vehicle, at the same time I set up and tested my key cards, key fob, and wrist band. I don't remember whether that was required for the vehicle or for the app, but I never even tested it and never had any intention of using it. (I explicitly tested the other keys to make sure they worked).

I have proximity unlocking disabled in my vehicle, and I keep Bluetooth turned off on my phone, and I don't leave the Rivian app running (Android). I use my fob as the primary key and keep a key card in my wallet.

I don't need to turn Bluetooth on to use the controls in the app or to monitor/control the charging.

So yes, it's possible that setting up the phone as a key is the method the app uses to authenticate itself to the vehicle.

right. Yours is setup as a key - you just don’t use it. Mine, however, won’t pair with the truck as a key so I don’t get the climate controls / charging / other features.

 

[quartz]

Do you remember what it was like when you were first learning to drive a stick? Picture someone learning to drive a stick and tell me they aren't distracted.

Someone who isn't used to using both paddles and a brake pedal to accomplish the same think (slowing down) will inherently have more divided attention than someone either simply using a brake pedal or regen braking. Eventually, you will get the hang of it - but why divide your attention when you don't have to?

Couldn't agree more on needed to be able to dial down regen. There are times (especially in snow) where high regen is not helpful. I think there needs to be user selectable levels so that folks can pick the right regen for the situation.

Yup, any learning curve is going to divide attention. Driving in itself is very distracting when you're new. Maybe it's just me, but I found the regen paddles to be very intuitive. Way easier than shifter pedals, not even comparable to driving stick. Just because the paddles are there, doesn't mean you have to use them ?

Now that I've thought about it some more, I wish there was a manual mode, where the throttle/regen output can be modulated without taking eyes off the road. A combo of a switch and paddles would do the trick without turning into a Formula wheel. Of course, these enthusiast features should be optional to use/buy.

 

[Quick]

Yup, any learning curve is going to divide attention. Driving in itself is very distracting when you're new. Maybe it's just me, but I found the regen paddles to be very intuitive. Way easier than shifter pedals, not even comparable to driving stick. Just because the paddles are there, doesn't mean you have to use them ?

Now that I've thought about it some more, I wish there was a manual mode, where the throttle/regen output can be modulated without taking eyes off the road. A combo of a switch and paddles would do the trick without turning into a Formula wheel. Of course, these enthusiast features should be optional to use/buy.

That sounds like a throttle and brake pedal…

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