GM adopts Tesla's NACS standard! Munro begs Rivian to switch

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How much public charging do drivers avtually use? In my 10 years of Tesla pwnership with unlimited Supercharging I think I still home charged for at least 95% of the charging
It will be adapters for all. That way Tesla can maximize the Government paybacks for charging infrastructure.

According to the data in my TeslaFi account, long-distance road trips account for a bit over 1/3 of my charging.

21,415 kWh total energy use, 14,024 kWh of that was at home.

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[DuoRivians]

How much public charging do drivers actually use? In my 10 years of Tesla ownership with unlimited Supercharging I think I still home charged for at least 95% of the charging
It will be adapters for all. That way Tesla can maximize the Government paybacks for charging infrastructure.

When I had Teslas, I’ve used Superchargers maybe 15 times over 4 years

 

[dsmithsalinas]

What about level 2 chargers? Many employers, public spaces, etc have spent lots of money to put in level 2 chargers that are CCS based and require an adapter for Tesla owners. Do those all need to be replaced then? Is there an equivalent NACS charger like the level 2 ChargePoint ones many companies have? ??‍ truly just curious.

side note: I also never want to give Elon a single cent of my money so… ??‍

 

[cdub]

I was still delivering commercials for clients in 2008 on BetacamSP. Nuts!

I was still using UMATIC 3/4 inch tape back then too. ?

If I were a Tesla owner, I would be furious, because come 2024, all hell will break loose.

Eh. While I'm not a Tesla owner yet I'm delighted on this news. Now Tesla and everyone else will be building Superchargers.

The odd man out for the large automakers is Stellantis, and I suspect that they shortly will be or perhaps already are, in discussion with Elon about using the Tesla network.

I suspect they'll do an announcement on Twitter spaces again soon too.

 

[SANZC02]

It would be anti-competitive if Tesla only allows certain oems to use it via arbitrary rules or use of mafia-like "pay for access or else" policies.

True but if that is the case it is not an open standard. Based on what was released seems like unlike the earlier attempt (2012?, 2014?), Tesla had some one sided language in the agreement that people shied away from. Seems like this is a more straight forward attempt at adoption.

“In pursuit of our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy, today we are opening our EV connector design to the world. We invite charging network operators and vehicle manufacturers to put the Tesla charging connector and charge port, now called the North American Charging Standard (NACS), on their equipment and vehicles. NACS is the most common charging standard in North America: NACS vehicles outnumber CCS two-to-one, and Tesla's Supercharging network has 60% more NACS posts than all the CCS-equipped networks combined.

Network operators already have plans in motion to incorporate NACS at their chargers, so Tesla owners can look forward to charging at other networks without adapters. Similarly, we look forward to future electric vehicles incorporating the NACS design and charging at Tesla’s North American Supercharging and Destination Charging networks.

As a purely electrical and mechanical interface agnostic to use case and communication protocol, NACS is straightforward to adopt. The design and specification files are available for download, and we are actively working with relevant standards bodies to codify Tesla’s charging connector as a public standard. Enjoy.”

 

[Guy]

What about level 2 chargers? Many employers, public spaces, etc have spent lots of money to put in level 2 chargers that are CCS based and require an adapter for Tesla owners. Do those all need to be replaced then? Is there an equivalent NACS charger like the level 2 ChargePoint ones many companies have? ??‍ truly just curious.

side note: I also never want to give Elon a single cent of my money so… ??‍

No need to change the level 2 chargers, NACS vehicles will use an adaptor and native CCS vehicles will just plug in as normal.

 

[VSG]

OK, a lot of VHS vs Beta references, but remember Betamax was SONY trying to impose a proprietary format on the industry. Like IBM before them and Apple after them, Sony was/is known for trying to use proprietary tech and to avoid standards in order to lock in their customer base and to earn licensing revenue.

In this analogy, Tesla "NACS" is the Betamax of charging.

 

[evhelphub]

How much public charging do drivers actually use? In my 10 years of Tesla ownership with unlimited Supercharging I think I still home charged for at least 95% of the charging
It will be adapters for all. That way Tesla can maximize the Government paybacks for charging infrastructure.

When I had Teslas, I’ve used Superchargers maybe 15 times over 4 years

In my two years of VW ID4 ownership, we have charged at a DCFC 117 times.

We exclusively charge at home for the daily commute. Lots of driving on the weekends and some road trips.

Having extremely reliable, widely available DC fast charging should be a top priority for every automaker. Glad to see GM and Ford understand that.

I think Rivian understands it as well and I will be shocked if an adapter isn't announced within the month.

 

[Grabs10]

Rivian should shut down the assembly line now and change to the NACS. No waiting for Magic docks to travel long distance, stress free, in a Rivian. Have not got my Rivian yet but always wanted the NACS on it as I already have an adaptor I have yet to use to where you can plug a NACS into CCS chargers I could carry in the Rivian

 

[DuoRivians]

True but if that is the case it is not an open standard. Based on what was released seems like unlike the earlier attempt (2012?, 2014?), Tesla had some one sided language in the agreement that people shied away from. Seems like this is a more straight forward attempt at adoption.

“In pursuit of our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy, today we are opening our EV connector design to the world. We invite charging network operators and vehicle manufacturers to put the Tesla charging connector and charge port, now called the North American Charging Standard (NACS), on their equipment and vehicles. NACS is the most common charging standard in North America: NACS vehicles outnumber CCS two-to-one, and Tesla's Supercharging network has 60% more NACS posts than all the CCS-equipped networks combined.

Network operators already have plans in motion to incorporate NACS at their chargers, so Tesla owners can look forward to charging at other networks without adapters. Similarly, we look forward to future electric vehicles incorporating the NACS design and charging at Tesla’s North American Supercharging and Destination Charging networks.

As a purely electrical and mechanical interface agnostic to use case and communication protocol, NACS is straightforward to adopt. The design and specification files are available for download, and we are actively working with relevant standards bodies to codify Tesla’s charging connector as a public standard. Enjoy.”

It is indeed not a true open standard. Just because Tesla puts colorful language around it doesn’t make it so.

 

[Grabs10]

What about level 2 chargers? Many employers, public spaces, etc have spent lots of money to put in level 2 chargers that are CCS based and require an adapter for Tesla owners. Do those all need to be replaced then? Is there an equivalent NACS charger like the level 2 ChargePoint ones many companies have? ??‍ truly just curious.

side note: I also never want to give Elon a single cent of my money so… ??‍

People can buy an adapter from Tesla for that on the cheap….

 

[SANZC02]

What about level 2 chargers? Many employers, public spaces, etc have spent lots of money to put in level 2 chargers that are CCS based and require an adapter for Tesla owners. Do those all need to be replaced then? Is there an equivalent NACS charger like the level 2 ChargePoint ones many companies have? ??‍ truly just curious.

side note: I also never want to give Elon a single cent of my money so… ??‍

No, I charge my Tesla at home with a J1772 charger using a simple adapter. They could just replace them as they wear out.

For those concerned about CCS going away, Chademo vehicles can still be charged and that standard in the US has essentially been dead for more than a decade. I would not let any of this impact a purchasing decision today.

 

[Milermore]

I'm not a fan of some of the things Elon does, but the Tesla charging network is the best available right now.
I don't really care what shape the plug at the end of the wire on the charger is. I care that I can use it, with our without an adaptor, to charge my vehicle.

I think it is ridiculous that there is a proprietary charging network and plug for one auto manufacturer. I have hated the mini-usb/lightning/usb-c history, and REALLY don't want to see that replicated with EV charging. I can't imagine not being able to put gasoline in a car because the nozzles are different shapes.
Right now, I'd say that all high-speed charging needs to be CCS, but that's just because that is the shape of the plug and the software on my current vehicle.
Give me a standard for the future and an adapter for the present and I don't care otherwise.

 

[Jarico75]

If this is really what’s happening, this would irk the DOJ anti-competitive arm. They do not want to see a monopoly on charging providers.

It's the opposite of anti-competitive. I am waiting to hear from a 3rd party charger maker to adopt the NACS. That will be a true test of whether there is a shift to Tesla's connector.

 

[docwhiz]

Somehow, I think Tesla is never going to allow that without a fight.

Other than the fact that they have said that they will be applying to a standards body for the NACS. Doesn't seem like a fight to me.

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