? Rivian Adopts Tesla NACS Standard! (Adapters in 2024, Standard Charging Port in 2025)

[Jared2]

Why can’t I just buy one of the existing adapters out there and use them now? Telsa already offers non-Tesla charging. Do I need a new specialized adapter that doesn’t already exist?

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[Dukecj]

This is FAKE news!! None of this companies are really switching to NCAS. This is just to sure up the weak positions of these companies and raise stock margins in the near term. The Supercharger network is opening up to all vehicles regardless of these verbal agreements.

Telsa has to open up 3500 supercharges by the end of 2024 per their agreement with the federal government. This is why all of these "agreements" are for 2025. This gives Tesla time to add an additional CCS cable to their supercharges like they have in Europe. This is what the magic dock research and development is all about

It will be at this point when all of the non-Tesla car manufacturers will state that the access to charging stations issue has been resolved and there is no longer a need to switch to the NACS port on their vehicles since they can charge using an adaptor or the Tesla supplied CCS cable and connector at Tesla superchargers. This will cut down on the manufacturing cost and will protect the hundreds of thousands of CCS owners into the future.

Win Win for everyone.

 

[HA-Opec]

Don't say that until you see the cost of supercharging a non-Tesla vs a Rivian using the RAN network.

Would be worth it to me for peace of mind

I suspect the prices will be the same to entice all these OEMs to sign with Tesla.

Perhaps OEMs will eat a percentage on the backend, rather than the consumer. That way end consumer doesn't feel burned, but the OEM pays fair share to have access to better and more reliable network for thier customers.
Tesla would look better as well by hiding an inflated price to a non Tesla owner.

 

[93Dawg]

Good news! Got the email for my R1S reservation. This eliminates one of my major concerns.

Amen! We've had a Tesla for a couple years and the charging network is great. This has been my only concern when considering the R1S - now I can't wait!

 

[R1Tom]

I was waiting for this comment. Will have 200 sold with yellow, then long debates about the wait for new stock while they sell black versions.

Maybe a Vin# should be required to order yellow, proving one has a quad motor.

 

[defcon888]

Telsa owners should be getting pissed right now.

 

[MP3Mike]

Is there any chance there can be a standard location for the charging port on EVs and when is the earliest this could happen? 2026?

I assume that is part of the agreement that Ford, GM, and Rivian have made. That when they put a NACS port on their vehicle that it will be in one of the two "correct" spots.)

 

[NineElectrics]

Some Tesla superchargers already have hour long waits in California. And I hope they keep CCS1 in the car so I can use existing EA chargers without an adapter. But all the same, this is great news!

 

[Zorg]

Excellent news. Road trips are gonna be easy

 

[emoore]

Fair point. But that does take away a lot of the value. Replacing the thousands of existing stations with longer cable versions isn't going to happen overnight.

And it would make the existing stations some combination of unusable and/or a recipe for conflict with Rivian's (and Ford's) trying to take the cable from the stall to the left of the parking spot.

I'm overall glad that Rivian made the choice, but it is going to be a messy transition for the existing fleet of CCS cars.

I do share a lot of the concerns over Tesla's control of NACS and the supercharging network. But for the time being, I simply hope that other car makers start adopting NACS as soon as possible so that we can just get to the point of having a single plug and charging standard countrywide.

Hopefully the other charging networks can step up their game to be meaningful competitors to Tesla on the charging front. Most of my concerns about NACS will be unfounded in practice if meaningful competition exists. Tesla will rapidly become a monopolistic and even crappier company if there isn't meaningful competition here.

The cord length is my biggest concern. I wonder if there were some terms in the agreements with Ford, GM, Rivian about Tesla replacing the cords at existing superchargers. If not then this announcement has limited use to current CCS vehicle owners which is very disappointing. I don't mind an adapter at all but if I can't charge while parked in the correct spot, then I probably won't use the supercharger network. I don't want to be that guy that takes up 2 spots.

 

[Walter32]

Reuters

Exclusive: EV maker Rivian to adopt Tesla's charging standard

SAN FRANCISCO, June 20 (Reuters) - Electric vehicle maker Rivian (RIVN.O) said it has agreed to adopt Tesla's (TSLA.O) charging standard, giving customers access to the biggest U.S. charging network and adding momentum to Tesla's bid to set the industry standard.

Customers of Rivian, which has its own small network of fast chargers, will be able to access 12,000 Tesla Superchargers with adapters in the United States and Canada as early as spring 2024, the company said. Rivian also said it would make a Tesla-style charging port standard on its vehicles, starting in 2025.

Tesla has struck comparable deals in recent weeks with General Motors (GM.N) and Ford (F.N). While other automakers get access to Tesla's charging network, Tesla stands to profit from selling power to a bigger group of electric vehicle drivers.

Shares of Irvine, California-based Rivian rose about 3% in premarket trading. Tesla shares, which are up more than 40% since late May when the leading U.S. electric carmaker announced its deal with Ford, were 0.5% higher.

Automakers need access to reliable charging to allay customers' fears of being stranded when a battery runs out of power, but most, with the exception of Tesla, have stayed away from building their own networks.

Installing a network of chargers - and maintaining them - requires substantial investment for still-limited returns because of the relatively small number of EVs automakers other than Tesla have on the road, analysts have said.

Tesla's Superchargers account for about 60% of the total fast chargers available in the United States, according to U.S. Department of Energy.

Services and other revenue, which includes the fees for using Tesla's Superchargers, made up just under 10% of revenue in the past quarter. The company does not break out charging revenue alone.

Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe said in a statement the deal would let buyers of Rivian electric pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles "leverage Tesla's expansive Supercharger network."

Tesla has made major strides in displacing a rival standard known as the Combined Charging System (CCS) that had the earlier backing of the Biden administration, which is offering $7.5 billion in funding to speed the deployment of EV chargers in the United States.

Qualifying for some of that federal money had required Tesla to open up its network for charging.

Tesla's charging standard had been proprietary until November, when it made the design and specifications public and rebranded the technology as the North American Charging Standard (NACS).

"It's great to see the industry coming together to adopt the North American Charging Standard," Tesla's senior director of charging infrastructure, Rebecca Tinucci, said in a statement.

Manufacturers and operators of CCS chargers such as ABB E-mobility North America, a unit of Swiss industrial firm ABB (ABBN.S), Tritium DCFC (DCFC.O), EVgo (EVGO.O) and FreeWire have raced to announce the addition of NACS plugs to their charging stations since the Ford and GM announcements.

Rivian, which makes the R1T pickup truck and the R1S SUV, will continue to expand its own charging network, the company said. The company had previously said it plans to build more than 3,500 charging stations.

China, the world's largest market for electric vehicles, has its own charging standard. Automakers in Japan such as Toyota (7203.T) and Nissan (7201.T) have pushed another standard known as CHAdeMo.

Will I be able to use my Tesla wall charger with my soon to be delivered R1S?

 

[emoore]

Why can’t I just buy one of the existing adapters out there and use them now? Telsa already offers non-Tesla charging. Do I need a new specialized adapter that doesn’t already exist?

Like has been said before there isn't an adapter for CCS to NACS yet.

 

[HA-Opec]

I'm not. Exciting to see this finally moving forward. Granted it will be a little messy, but no one can scale new Supercharger locations faster than Tesla..

 

[MP3Mike]

Telsa has to open up 3500 supercharges by the end of 2024 per their agreement with the federal government. This is why all of these "agreements" are for 2025. This gives Tesla time to add an additional CCS cable to their supercharges like they have in Europe. This is what the magic dock research and development is all about

Well, 3,500 Superchargers is a lot less than the 12,000+ that the agreement covers.

I don't see Tesla going dual cable in North America. In 2025 there will likely be ~3,500 Superchargers open to all via the MagicDock, while there will be ~24,000 Superchargers open to the NACS coalition.

 

[LL75]

Will I be able to use my Tesla wall charger with my soon to be delivered R1S?

all you need is an adapter that already available on amazon. This news is about the fast charging network. Not home charging.

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