? Rivian Adopts Tesla NACS Standard! (Adapters in 2024, Standard Charging Port in 2025)

[scottf200]

Slightly off topic, but can anyone tell me what the heck a "DS Office Charging Station" is? Thanks for any help forthcoming in advance.

Put it in context and/or point to an article or wherever you saw it. Doesn't sound familar.

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[scottf200]

GM/Chevrolet Silverado EV has the charger port in a Tesla Supercharger friendly location already!

 

[MP3Mike]

And now we add Volvo to the mix.

In addition, as of right now, 800 volt vehicles cannot charge effectively at superchargers. This includes the GMC Hummer and the soon to be released Chevy Silverado EV, Kia, Hyundia, Porshe, Audi, Lucid, Polestar etc...

I assume that this means Polestar is going with NACS as well...

 

[israndy]

Maybe by only moving one brand they can better see which way the wind is blowing (although it SEEMS obvious which way that is)

 

[emoore]

It's interesting that all the start dates are around the same time. Spring 2024. I wonder why it's 9 months away. Testing maybe? Replacing cables? Writing software?

 

[TexasBob]

And now we add Volvo to the mix.





I assume means Polestar is going with NACS as well...

Presumably Polestar and any of the Zhejiang Geely brands that sell in the US (e.g. Lotus, Smart and eventually Zeekr?) will adopt NACS.

 

[MP3Mike]

It's interesting that all the start dates are around the same time. Spring 2024. I wonder why it's 9 months away. Testing maybe? Replacing cables? Writing software?

Software integration is probably a big thing. As at least Ford/GM have said that charging will be started/paid for via their own apps, not Tesla's. (And probably Plug&Charge like capabilities.)

It also takes time to get an adapter made and produced in sufficient volumes. (It took a long time for the CCS1 to NACS adapter to go from the initial release in South Korea to be available in volume in North America.)

 

[MP3Mike]

And now the SAE is saying that they will fast track making NACS a standard: https://www.reuters.com/business/au...track-become-us-industry-standard-2023-06-27/

"The new SAE NACS connector standard will be developed on an expedited timeframe and is one of several key initiatives to strengthen the North American EV charging infrastructure," the engineers group said in a statement.

Which might bypass CharIN's involvement.

 

[Dark-Fx]

Energy infrastructure is not the best in the area, but that's not for me to figure out, it's for Rivian who marketed the Rivian ADVENTURE Network as a charger in remote locations, not at REI's.

Surely I can't be the only person who makes a stop at REI on the way to adventure because I realized I needed that one additional piece of gear first?

I can't remember the last time I touched thermoplastics and said "ah yes, that additional 15 degrees C is just fine for my skin". I also don't remember having to use a wet towel on any CCS charging handle to make it charge faster but that's apparently common enough for Teslas.

 

[Dark-Fx]

And now the SAE is saying that they will fast track making NACS a standard: https://www.reuters.com/business/au...track-become-us-industry-standard-2023-06-27/



Which might bypass CharIN's involvement.

I'm a bit confused how this is going to work since the connector is still Tesla IP.

 

[docwhiz]

can't remember the last time I touched thermoplastics and said "ah yes, that additional 15 degrees C is just fine for my skin". I also don't remember having to use a wet towel on any CCS charging handle to make it charge faster but that's apparently common enough for Teslas.

I've never heard of placing a wet towel on any charging handle. Sounds dangerous.

 

[SamDoe1]

I can't remember the last time I touched thermoplastics and said "ah yes, that additional 15 degrees C is just fine for my skin". I also don't remember having to use a wet towel on any CCS charging handle to make it charge faster but that's apparently common enough for Teslas.

This is a common IEC standard used across a ton of industries, nothing wrong with this.

I'm a bit confused how this is going to work since the connector is still Tesla IP.

They have open sourced it and have said they are willing to make it a public standard.

 

[Dark-Fx]

This is a common IEC standard used across a ton of industries, nothing wrong with this.

Tesla even says that the typically IEC standard is 90C here. Obviously allowing higher temperatures means a higher current for the same cable size, but humans still have to handle this stuff and here's some handy information: https://incompliancemag.com/article/contact-burn-injuries-the-influence-of-object-thermal-mass/

They have open sourced it and have said they are willing to make it a public standard.

This hasn't happened yet and the patent number still appears on Tesla's "patent pledge" list. Cart before the horse.

 

[COdogman]

This is a common IEC standard used across a ton of industries, nothing wrong with this.



They have open sourced it and have said they are willing to make it a public standard.

Define "open sourced"

 

[SamDoe1]

This hasn't happened yet and the patent number still appears on Tesla's "patent pledge" list. Cart before the horse.

Tesla would disagree with that...

A patent is only as good as the holder's ability/willingness to fight it. If their pledge is to not pursue anything then that patent is basically meaningless.

With more than a decade of use and 20 billion EV charging miles to its name, the Tesla charging connector is the most proven in North America, offering AC charging and up to 1 MW DC charging in one slim package. It has no moving parts, is half the size, and twice as powerful as Combined Charging System (CCS) connectors.

In pursuit of our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy, today we are opening our EV connector design to the world. We invite charging network operators and vehicle manufacturers to put the Tesla charging connector and charge port, now called the North American Charging Standard (NACS), on their equipment and vehicles. NACS is the most common charging standard in North America: NACS vehicles outnumber CCS two-to-one, and Tesla's Supercharging network has 60% more NACS posts than all the CCS-equipped networks combined.

Network operators already have plans in motion to incorporate NACS at their chargers, so Tesla owners can look forward to charging at other networks without adapters. Similarly, we look forward to future electric vehicles incorporating the NACS design and charging at Tesla’s North American Supercharging and Destination Charging networks.

As a purely electrical and mechanical interface agnostic to use case and communication protocol, NACS is straightforward to adopt. The design and specification files are available for download, and we are actively working with relevant standards bodies to codify Tesla’s charging connector as a public standard. Enjoy.

https://www.tesla.com/blog/opening-north-american-charging-standard

Define "open sourced"

All the design specs, technical information, CAD models, etc are all posted online in a public location free for anyone to download. As of right now, it's not a public standard but if/when SAE or another similar body standardizes it, that standard is what companies will (or should) comply to, including Tesla.

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