OG res holder, downgrade to dual?

[PDR447]

I just popped into the configurator for fun and noticed I was offered to "downgrade" to dual performance for $500 savings. I'm torn here. Obviously sticker price now I'm getting a better "deal" on the quad. But I'm not sure if that will transfer to better resale/value. 3.5 vs 3.0 seconds is trivial. Dual gets more range. Quad may end up being abandoned since its an outside purchase(Bosch)?

What are others leaning towards? Tank turn is gone. Aside from HP/TQ they're the same car correct? I can't see a big reason to go quad aside from the "deal".

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[DuoRivians]

Unless you’re planning on heavy off roading, I think the perf dual motor is the better choice. More range is certainly more useful and frequently, than the quad 0-60 0.5sec advantage. If you plan on heavy off roading, I think quad is hard to beat

 

[PDR447]

Agreed. Also want to wait for NACS personally. Let's not get into that debate, but if it's going to be the new standard I think it's reasonable to want to be on the new/future standard rather than the old...

 

[theyoungone]

Unless you’re planning on heavy off roading, I think the perf dual motor is the better choice. More range is certainly more useful and frequently, than the quad 0-60 0.5sec advantage. If you plan on heavy off roading, I think quad is hard to beat

but it’s not the same. there are less drive modes and dual is a “smart” AWD meaning it’s practically conserve mode unless it senses you need all 4 wheels via software. Ex: under heavy acceleration. That’s how it gets the extra range.

 

[TexasBob]

FWIW, we picked up our R1S yesterday and got the quad. For our personal use the dual performance would have been a better choice, and if they had offered in we would have taken the $500 and the dual for a long-term driver. OTOH, from a resale perspective I think the Quad will hold much more than a $500 premium 4-5 years down the road vs a dual performance. The quads will be relatively rare on the resale market and highly coveted by off-roading types. From a purely financial perspective the quad will hold its value better IMO.

 

[Chewy734]

Go with quad if you can afford it, imo.

 

[ads75]

But I'm not sure if that will transfer to better resale/value. 3.5 vs 3.0 seconds is trivial. Dual gets more range.

Sure, 3.5 seconds vs 3.0 seconds may seem trivial. But whats the range difference in Quad vs Dual Performance, 328 miles vs 350 miles, a 22 miles difference? Also trivial, in all but the most extreme circumstances. $500 savings on a $80k vehicle, also trivial, paint preferences cost 3 times more. But its your money, do whats right for you.

 

[PDR447]

$500 difference on 75k is a wash. I can afford quad. What I'm looking for is if quad is going to be supported long term. Feels like rivian is moving in house for manufacturing/efficiency.

I believe in rivian long term. I'm less sure about rivian/Bosch relationship long term.

Also with software updates, early Teslas were cut off at a certain point. Will Bosch Rivians be similar?

 

[Redline]

No way would I change from quad to dual for $500. I'm sticking with my quad at the pre-march price.

 

[Redline]

$500 difference on 75k is a wash. I can afford quad. What I'm looking for is if quad is going to be supported long term. Feels like rivian is moving in house for manufacturing/efficiency.

I believe in rivian long term. I'm less sure about rivian/Bosch relationship long term.

Also with software updates, early Teslas were cut off at a certain point. Will Bosch Rivians be similar?

Bosch is going no where. You'll have support.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Rivian isn't going to stop supporting Bosch for 10 years which I believe is a government requirement. 10 years from the last production date manufacturers are still required to support the products with parts and labor, albeit for a fee outside of warranty. So as long as Rivian is in business you'll have a decade if quad production stopped today, therefore you really have nothing to worry about support wise.

 

[DuoRivians]

but it’s not the same. there are less drive modes and dual is a “smart” AWD meaning it’s practically conserve mode unless it senses you need all 4 wheels via software. Ex: under heavy acceleration. That’s how it gets the extra range.

Those extra drive modes are useful for heavy off roading only.

Whether it uses two or four motor motors is irrelevant to me if I don’t notice it, ie for quad motors, I’m never going to manually switch between all purpose and conserve to try to match dual motor efficiency.

 

[ads75]

$500 difference on 75k is a wash. I can afford quad. What I'm looking for is if quad is going to be supported long term. Feels like rivian is moving in house for manufacturing/efficiency.

I believe in rivian long term. I'm less sure about rivian/Bosch relationship long term.

Also with software updates, early Teslas were cut off at a certain point. Will Bosch Rivians be similar?

Were the Teslas cut off because they had different motors, or the software had passed the processing hardware by, as happens in modern smart phones and computers? Apple doesn't support Gen 1 iphones as far as I know. What do you consider long term support, the warranty period, 2 years, 5 years, 15 years? Do you really think a 2023 R1T Quad motor will have significant differences than a 2023 Dual motor, when it comes to computer processing power, not drive motors, what is most likely the limit of the early Teslas, not the motor selection?

Do I think that Rivian will eventually stop providing updates to the current Quad motor vehicles, yes. Do I think Rivian will stop providing updates to the dual motor at the same time, yes. Unless the computer part of the vehicle is considerably different, I would think the "support" is about the same, many years from now. And thats not even addressing if the computer parts are upgradable.

But if you are worried about potential problems, that have not yet arisen, maybe another manufacturer with a proven track record of providing indefinite updates is a better purchase. Please, let the rest of us know, which manufacturer will provide indefinite updates for years/decades to come, for their current models.

 

[PDR447]

But if you are worried about potential problems, that have not yet arisen, maybe another manufacturer with a proven track record of providing indefinite updates is a better purchase. Please, let the rest of us know, which manufacturer will provide indefinite updates for years/decades to come, for their current models.

ICE customers frequently consider the long term ramifications of their purchase(different engines available, transmissions, etc). I was asking about that here. I'm sorry if that offends you. If I'm buying an ICE it's not weird to ask if one engine option will need major work in 10yrs when the other may not. Difference is with how software heavy EVs are there will become a point that no matter how much money I want to throw at it the car will be EOL. I'm personally thinking the quad might EOL before the duals and was hoping to get some insight from others that might know more.

I don't know a manufacturer that will do better. But I can offer a list of manufacturers I would ask the same question of if you'd like, warning it's kinda a long list...

 

[emoore]

If the dual motors drive anything like the quads in conserve I want nothing to do with them.

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