Canceled my R1S order :-(

[TollKeeper]

I decided not to get Taco Bell tonight. It’s been weighing on me all day. #JustThoughtYouShouldKnow

I decided not to get Taco Bell tonight. I need to conserve toilet paper! #JustThoughtYouShouldKnow

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[s4wrxttcs]

Glass sunroof does not open at all...what's the point? We always crack our sunroof when parking outside on a hot day and it makes a huge difference without having to roll the windows down.

Does anyone make an EV with a glass sunroof that can open?

I had one with my 2015 Model S, but I haven't seen one since.

Tesla went away from it
Rivian doesn't offer one

 

[Redline]

Now I want Taco Bell.

 

[Captain JB]

In the words of the famous John McEnroe..."you simply can't be serious!!". The price reflects the incredible tech and off road performance not luxury and not meant to be. JB

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I liked the Review from a perspective of what people want in a car, and where various cars fall short.

I don't really believe anyone makes the "perfect car"

One of the nicest cars I've ever owned was a Range Rover Sport, but I owned it only briefly as it wasn't the car for me. The biggest issue was it wasn't that durable inside. It was more of a car you take a women out on a date than an actual car you live with.

The Rivian R1T I have is a lot more durable inside, but doesn't look nearly as nice. The R1T does lack a lot of refinement especially in the transmission noise (the tok), and suspension noise. Heck I think my Jeep Wrangler handled better at low speeds, and the suspension didn't creak as much.

I do like the R1T as it fits my use car. I just wish it was a bit more refined. There isn't anything on the market like it so I'll wait till some time in the future to try something else.

 

[Smeek]

While i do agree with OP that the truck should be a bit more refined for the price, i am not disappointed in it because i was not really expecting it to feel like a $150k range rover and it really doesn't miss that mark by a significant amount. I am coming from a fully loaded e-tron GT as a DD, and the R1S falls only a bit short for $40k less than i paid pre price hike (along with the incredible range of utility that the R1S provides).

 

[Redline]

I take it a lot of you don't sit on the Rivian qtrly conference calls. If you did, you'd remember the first calls after the IPO where basically all the anlysts were asking why the heck Rivian's were so cheap. Why weren't they charging more inline with a Range Rover Sport, etc.

This was when review after review was coming out talking about the amazing amount of vehicle you got for $7x,xxx. Then, Rivian, wisely priced the vehicles correctly, and now people are complaining they aren't in line with other vehicles near $10x,xxx.

Again, this is a start-up with their first "halo" vehicles and many here are expecting them to be BMW or Mercedes.

 

[ActionableDave]

Well, I finally got my test drive this weekend and after waiting a long 18 months I'm sad to say the R1S simply didn't live up to my (or my wife's) expectations...

I am glad you didn't buy it, best for you and your wife to wait for the electric Range Rover. I am personally stoked with most all aspects of my R1S, maybe because I haven't owned a BMW or a Range Rover. I always had a problem plunking down the ridiculously high price for the emblems, and the things you are mentioning aren't 30K problems (I got my R1S for $75K, as I made my reservation 2 years ago).

Whether you needed to post this treatise on the Rivian Forum is a question for your ego to answer, but in any event, I hope you both find what you are looking for!

 

[EVfanboy]

Since this is an entertaining thread, I'll chime in with my 2 cents worth... From my experience as an owner and driver of quite a few of the vehicles in this thread, here's my opinions:

Cayenne (recent model 9YA Audi based chassis and engine). Out corners anything on the list, but with 315mm rear and 285mm front tires it should anyway. But too many issues, Driveline drone vibration at 60mph that Porsche could never fix. After filling up with fuel the first 50-75 miles there is a terrible helicopter resonance in the cabin from the fuel tank vapor flapper valve. No fix. Porsche PSCB tungsten coated brakes, fantastic stopping and no dust, trade-off squeak like crazy at low speed and grabby. Engine started requiring oil top offs between servicing, seemed a bit excessive.

Range rover Sport Nice front seats, terrible back seats, (not sure why they even bothered to ventilate the rears seats since no one would want to ride back there for long). Tech felt like they were 10 years behind anything else. Very slow throttle tip in, and just overall Meh driver's experience. I have to admit my wife loved that car though. Oh and the stupid A-pillar plastic cover on ours just would not stay on, took to dealer over and over and I gave up and used black duct tape. Kept telling them its got to be the door alignment , they never listened. Nit picky but so annoying to have to deal with that issue.

BMW X7, drove like a minivan or similar big boat, seats were softer than an 80's Cadillac. (That's not a compliment) Motorized rear seats seems like a good idea, but way too slow. I wanted to like it but just wasn't the car for me, got rid of it after only a brief time. Don't get me wrong I'm not a BMW hater, I owned a 550i and a few others over the years and a current long time owner of what BMW once was, an E30 M3 ;-)

Mercedes GLE53 AMG A hoot to drive. Makes all kinds of ridiculously entertaining farts and burps from the exhaust in sport mode. Tradeoff is terrible mileage with me driving. I was getting somewhere between 10-13MPG. MBUX UI has it's plusses but also not the greatest experience. Was the car worth $100K+? Probably not and even in near top spec it had no where close to the torque or acceleration of the R1. I'd rate the ride overall at the top of my personal list though.

Mercedes EQS SUV brief test drive at the dealer, but a friend owns one so I've got some time in it. Slow, too soft, no access to front trunk! What's up with that?? and just not a fan of the look either. Dealers are giving great discounts though. The one I drove (a demo) listed for close to 120k and if leased was marked down into the 80s.

If you've read this far you can probably get an idea of my likes and dislikes and what I find important in a car. What I like, certainly is my opinion and not going to be the same as others. To each his own. The Rivian checks off all the right boxes for me, and I am really enjoying it. Its not perfect, nothing is, but I feel that the overall experience meets or exceeds my personal expectations and isn't that what its all about anyway? A smile on your face and the feeling of wanting to get in and just go for a drive!

Enjoyed your assessment especially since you have experienced comparable vehicles. Can you elaborate on ride comfort in the R1S especially back seats

 

[Dark-Fx]

I decided not to get Taco Bell tonight. It’s been weighing on me all day. #JustThoughtYouShouldKnow

Last Friday I decided to not go home after work and sleep in a tent encampment instead.

 

[darren1f]

I read about halfway through, then stopped somewhere in the middle. Some cars just aren't for you. It's strange that you wrote a novel about it. I agree with you about the turn signal. Strange noise. Also too quiet. Also, IMHO, too high on the display and I can't see when they are on because they are blocked by the wheel. That's my biggest complaint so far. I understand that different cars are different because they are different. Therefore they aren't going to offer the same stuff you might believe you are entitled to. This is an off-road truck. Not an X7 or RR Sport.

Speaking of RRS, I've owned two. They are very seductive. You go into the showroom, you put your butt in the gorgeous interior, you are offered Keureg coffee. It's not even a question that you might leave without one. Then there's the issue of actually owning one. I spent half of my Saturdays sitting in the dealer service waiting room. Drinking the same putrid Keureg coffee and sitting with the same owners from the previous Saturday. It was like a support group for abused Land Rover owners. If I'm ever seduced again while driving past a dealership, I remind myself of the sworn oath to never own another JLR vehicle again. I don't care if the interior feels like money or if the suspension soaks up the road better than the R1S or a Tesla. They've lost me forever. And I cannot even imagine the nightmare one would be with the added complexity of a high voltage electrical system needed to propel the wheels.

 

[Kshetler]

I just canceled mine (June ‘22). Ultimately it wasn’t about refinement or comparing it to other luxury vehicles.

It came down to 2 issues: dependability and durability.

As our only family vehicle (wife, active 9-year-old, dog) we decided it was too risky given the long service queues, limited service options, and increasing reports of issues requiring service. These issues stem from Rivian’s success and newness.

For the interior, it didn’t seem likely to be able to stand up to the punishment of a 9-year-old and 4 of his friends, or our dog.

For a family as a second vehicle, it seems like a good choice.

We’re back on the hunt, looking at options like a fully loaded Pilot. I guess we’ll see where Rivian is in 10 years.

 

[Redline]

I just canceled mine (June ‘22). Ultimately it wasn’t about refinement or comparing it to other luxury vehicles.

It came down to 2 issues: dependability and durability.

As our only family vehicle (wife, active 9-year-old, dog) we decided it was too risky given the long service queues, limited service options, and increasing reports of issues requiring service. These issues stem from Rivian’s success and newness.

For the interior, it didn’t seem likely to be able to stand up to the punishment of a 9-year-old and 4 of his friends, or our dog.

For a family as a second vehicle, it seems like a good choice.

We’re back on the hunt, looking at options like a fully loaded Pilot. I guess we’ll see where Rivian is in 10 years.

I get the long service windows, but that’s with mostly minor issues.

Could you point to any actual facts or statistics regarding the interior not standing up to kids and dogs? Curious where you’re pulling that from.

 

[mini2nut]

I was following an R1S on the freeway today. Just as you stated the rear end was constantly bouncing. It did not appear normal and I see how it would be annoying. it’s unacceptable on a $85k vehicle.

Have you entertained purchasing a $79,900 Tesla Model X?

 

[Ric G]

Enjoyed your assessment especially since you have experienced comparable vehicles. Can you elaborate on ride comfort in the R1S especially back seats

My In-laws could probably answer that question better than me, they spend more time in the second row than I do, ? but I didn't get any complaints during a recent 6 hour down & back drive to Miami.
If it's actual seat comfort that you're wondering about, the R1S second row isn't too bad. There's plenty of leg room and no center floor hump, a decent range of recline and ok firmness. Nice amount of fore & aft travel on the sliders. Although, It does gets a bit tight if there's someone in the third row.

For reference I'm running on stock 21's at 50psi. Ride harshness IMO could be improved. Its a bit bouncy compared to some of the other cars I've owned. The recent update has improved that quite a bit. To help back seat riders on highways I always set to all purpose/soft/standard height. Conserve and Auto ride height negatively affect second row comfort a noticeable amount. I really like the fact that the car is constantly evolving and improving over time with updates. That's one thing none of the other cars on my list have to offer.

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