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[Epicloop]

Then don’t buy one. Easy choice. Oh and now towing reduces your range by 2/3? First I’ve heard of that. Got any data to back that up?

Well 14kwh additional as opposed to 45kwh additional capacity that is 1/3 the the additional towing range of what was marketed.
I never said it was 2/3 range reduction but now that you bring it up the loss can be closer to 1/3 than 1/2 depending on the aerodynamic drag & grades driven.
it should come as no surprise that many cancelled due to unfulfilled expectations.
There are some redeeming aspects but reasonable addition towing range is not one of them.

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[vandy1981]

Well 14kwh additional as opposed to 45kwh additional capacity that is 1/3 the the additional towing range of what was marketed.

Rivian promised 400 miles for the Max pack. They managed to get there with fewer kWh which means the drivetrain is more efficient than expected. This is assuming they're not playing games with EPA rating on the Max pack.

A 400 mile truck with a less efficient drivetrain and larger battery pack is not going to pull a trailer farther than a more efficient truck that gets 400 miles with a smaller battery pack.

 

[Supratachophobia]

Shocker, nearly 6 years later they come out with a large + that has less warranty, less hp/tq, barely more towing range (1/3 expected additional kwh), less drive modes @ 5x (hard) cost per kw.
They killed the demand, it's not that it wasn't there.
This is may be good for the company & shareholders though, as likely most of the pre march buyers bailed.

This exactly the sentiment I have right now.

Quad Bosch isn't a long term investment for them despite the warranty claims. Quad max isn't a thing, hell, max isn't even a thing. We got pushed to dual which performs similarly to quad but not as good. And then even more not as good as they walked back those specs again a couple weeks ago.

I'm trying to purchase a 4-6 year vehicle here and the variables keep changing.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

I have a slightly different take on this.

1) The vehicles do not appear to be designed for a larger battery...at least not the R1S. If you look at the hoist reviews by Munro you can see there is space in the T but not in the S.
2) They are trying to ramp up production and this increases complexity if its a different size pack.

I am still not sure how they got to 400 mi range with such a small increase in gross capacity. The EPA numbers appear to be different for Max vs Large DM from the window sticker that was posted here.

3) Lastly, Rivian needs to increase their margins. The most recent quarter shows they are losing about $33,000 for every vehicle sold. Much better than previous quarters but still a long way to go.

In the end, the consumer will decide with his/her wallet if they think the new Max pack is worth it. Also, according to the announcement on max pack Rivian says a new quad motor "with additional capability" will be available in the future to pair with max pack.

I have a really hard time believing they are able to get an extra 58 miles out of the truck with an extra 14 kwh. Even assuming 2.5 mi per kwh that's only 35 miles.

I am anxious to learn more. Would love to meet up with a max pack owner and do some testing.

 

[vandy1981]

I asked Rivian to provide me one for testing... Crickets.

It blows my mind that no real-world data has made it onto YouTube or the social networks.

 

[Epicloop]

A 400 mile truck with a less efficient drivetrain and larger battery pack is not going to pull a trailer farther than a more efficient truck that gets 400 miles with a smaller battery pack.

I am all for more efficient systems but 1m/kw is not going to magically convert to 2m/kw for the extra 14kwh.
The energy required to do work does not change & the additional available energy is only 14kwh.

1m/kw @14kwr=14miles vs
58miles/2 (towing) = 29miles
All the tests have proven that the m/kw to be accurate vs the 1/2 while towing guess-o -meter.
Looking forward to the independent tests.

I have a really hard time believing they are able to get an extra 58 miles out of the truck with an extra 14 kwh. Even assuming 2.5 mi per kwh that's only 35 miles.

I am anxious to learn more. Would love to meet up with a max pack owner and do some testing

I agree on all you points, I am also having a hard time with the magical additional range out of 14kwh.
For those of us towing $10k+/- for 14 additional miles is not something we want to gamble on.
In my case the additional range while towing makes the difference between stopping or not (150miles).
On the last trip 14kwh would have prevented the 2nd additional charge, 29 miles(1/2 of 58m) & A/S tires would have prevented both stops(charging 1hr@80kw/h).
Trying to decide if upgrading to the Tmax is worth it.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Yeah, when towing my TT i get between 1 and 1.2 mi per kwh. At best an extra 17mi towing range.

Now, with that said im really looking forward to testing the October software update. There are supposed to be s lot of improvements to towing capabilities in this update.

Im also surprised that Rivian hasn't made units available for testing. I would happily eat all my words and take a pie in the face if im wrong about max pack.

 

[vandy1981]

I am all for more efficient systems but 1m/kw is not going to magically convert to 2m/kw for the extra 14kwh.

My point is that a trailer is going to have a proportional effect on efficiency and it's not going to be a 1-to-1 conversion. We're talking maybe a 0.1 or 0.2 mi/kWh improvement on a tow that consumes 1.1 mi/kwh on a large pack.

Whether that's worth the extra money to you is a completely personal decision.

 

[jjswan33]

So has anyone gotten a max pack with the RUS (or close to getting one)? I was digging through available trucks, appears that the Max Pack is available in any color now (except yellow) but none with the RUS

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Another video on Max pack. Starts at 49:09. Looks like Kyle and Tom et al. Kyle claims Rivian did not want to talk about max pack at all.

 

[Supratachophobia]

Another video on Max pack. Starts at 49:09. Looks like Kyle and Tom et al. Kyle claims Rivian did not want to talk about max pack at all.

Sounds about right. I don't know Kyle and I've only seen a couple of his videos. I can relate easily to him geeking out on the data he collects and self-desgning scientifically relevant tests. For all Rivian's quirks and challenges since inception, he's acknowledged, expounded, and generally tried to be magnanimous. But his comments on the "max" pack were strong and 100% accurate. I think Rivian will pay long term both for introducing multiple drivetrains too early, and for totally missing the point AND the product of the original max pack specs. Add to that the fact they lack 800v architecture this late in the EV game is just going to bite them over and over in the ass when these huge batteries sit at level 3 chargers for hours.


Edit: Oh, and his speculation is 100% accurate from what Ive heard privately.

 

[krb1183]

Another video on Max pack. Starts at 49:09. Looks like Kyle and Tom et al. Kyle claims Rivian did not want to talk about max pack at all.

I enjoyed this video, and though I'm not very active on here I enjoy all of your perspectives.

I received a rivian message the other day asking why i haven't confirmed/locked in my configuration yet for my max pack reservation. I simply put i'm still struggling with the decision now. When i pre-ordered way back when, i loved the idea of the quad motor and getting the most range possible, hoping it would end up significantly over 400 miles. (Wanted to make my trips from San Diego to Phoenix without having to stop and recharge ~ 355 miles)
I was disappointed that the quad was eliminated with the max pack, but thought well, if dual motor will be my only option, then the max pack should significantly push range to mid 400 miles.
Now that they didn't significantly boost max pack range or like the video says, charging capability, i'm still hesitant even though my increase for max pack is 7k. I'm more inclined if my only option will be dual motor, i might as well switch back to large pack.

I spent some time chatting with Rivian customer service a few weeks back about some of my questions. If i don't do the performance upgrade now, can i purchase it as a software unlock at a later date? What is delivery time if i confirm my max pack option? (i'm moving early next year so wondering if i should just wait until i move states to confirm config)
Answers were as follows:
-they don't have a software unlock option for dual performance yet, and haven't made an announcement yet on whether that will be an option.
- delivery would be 1-4 months, if i want to wait until after i move, i can wait to finalize my configuration when i'm ready.

Thanks all

 

[Wentworth]

Received the email to start purchase process last night. I’m told it is going thru QC in Normal and I should have it within two weeks. Couldn’t be more excited.

 

[FLTANK]

Received the email to start purchase process last night. I’m told it is going thru QC in Normal and I should have it within two weeks. Couldn’t be more excited.

I also received my notice to start the purchase process on Tuesday morning. I'm being told truck is heading to NY via train but will be about 4 weeks before delivery is available so a bit longer lead time than Wentworth but what's another couple weeks after 2+ years of waiting. Also for what it's worth prior to this week my delivery estimate was January to Feb 2024 so obviously pulled up at least a couple of months which is good news for others waiting patiently. Should be enough Dual Performance Max Packs out in the wild by the end of the year to get some real data so I'll be sure to share when I can.

 

[Ronaldinho]

I also received my notice to start the purchase process on Tuesday morning. I'm being told truck is heading to NY via train but will be about 4 weeks before delivery is available so a bit longer lead time than Wentworth but what's another couple weeks after 2+ years of waiting. Also for what it's worth prior to this week my delivery estimate was January to Feb 2024 so obviously pulled up at least a couple of months which is good news for others waiting patiently. Should be enough Dual Performance Max Packs out in the wild by the end of the year to get some real data so I'll be sure to share when I can.

Received the email to start purchase process last night. I’m told it is going thru QC in Normal and I should have it within two weeks. Couldn’t be more excited.

Congrats, exciting to see the process start for you. Do either of you have your R1s configured with the underbody shield?

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