Standard Dual Motor does not get new Gauge View

[Dark-Fx]

I’m not whining, I’m stating a fact that is clearly presented on the website.


Exactly, that’s what makes a different trim level/ level of package. My argument isnt where the quad should cost more or be more capable (it should absolutely be). It’s that the level of support should be the same. I paid less because I got 2 fewer motors and less power. Not because it was advertised that I would be receiving less support. I understand Rivian has addressed it for this case. I’m just trying to state how I shouldn’t have to pay more for a similar service when the cost differential goes towards the hardware.

So where would someone with an explore interior and quad motors fit into your worldview. "Same thing" or no? Obviously just a thought exercise, but I'm curious.

I expect Rivian is eventually going to do something that differentiates the plain dual motor and the higher optioned vehicles in software that wasn't "known at the time of sale". But who knows when or what it could be. Of course it's also likely that everyone who is a past purchaser gets left out of some significant change years down the line. Most likely due to a technical change in newer vehicles.

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[Donald Stanfield]

I’m not whining, I’m stating a fact that is clearly presented on the website. Did you also stomp your feet when you typed that?

No the fact that they are different is clearly presented on the website. Your argument is past the point of stupidity. You agree that there are different powertrains, the prices are different and they are called different things Dual adventure vs Quad adventure. They even have different badging and brake calipers. Only an abject moron or someone completely in denial would consider them the same package when presented with these facts.

There is precedent for this. As I already explained to you my Audi works exactly the same way. There are different badges and gauges for the S as opposed to the plain Q. Manufacturers need to create a reason for people to pay the extra for the more premium packages. Part of that reason is hardware and part is software. Software is already differentiated with the modes you get, so it's not exactly a big leap to get there.

I'm sorry you are jealous of the quad motor cars, save your pennies next time instead of intentionally blinding yourself to the reality of the situation. More expensive means more premium and that's just a fact of life for almost all consumer goods. You're the guy at parties explaining how your Rollex is just as good as the next guy's Rolex because they both tell time. Do better.

 

[MColbert]

So where would someone with an explore interior and quad motors fit into your worldview. "Same thing" or no? Obviously just a thought exercise, but I'm curious.

I expect Rivian is eventually going to do something that differentiates the plain dual motor and the higher optioned vehicles in software that wasn't "known at the time of sale". But who knows when or what it could be. Of course it's also likely that everyone who is a past purchaser gets left out of some significant change years down the line. Most likely due to a technical change in newer vehicles.

I think that’s a fair question. I would look at is as a parallel to something like Chevy does with the Silverados. You can by an LT trim level and get similar features whether you buy the 6cyl (I think it’s switched to a turbo 4cyl now) or the 5.3 V8. You can also buying them in 2wd or 4wd, but they’ll have pretty much the same interior/ cab/ support outside of the buttons/ capability associated with the hardware.

 

[MColbert]

No the fact that they are different is clearly presented on the website. Your argument is past the point of stupidity. You agree that there are different powertrains, the prices are different and they are called different things Dual adventure vs Quad adventure. They even have different badging and brake calipers. Only an abject moron or someone completely in denial would consider them the same package when presented with these facts.

There is precedent for this. As I already explained to you my Audi works exactly the same way. There are different badges and gauges for the S as opposed to the plain Q. Manufacturers need to create a reason for people to pay the extra for the more premium packages. Part of that reason is hardware and part is software. Software is already differentiated with the modes you get, so it's not exactly a big leap to get there.

I'm sorry you are jealous of the quad motor cars, save your pennies next time instead of intentionally blinding yourself to the reality of the situation. More expensive means more premium and that's just a fact of life for almost all consumer goods. You're the guy at parties explaining how your Rollex is just as good as the next guy's Rolex because they both tell time. Do better.

You’re the guy people only invite to parties because you bring expensive enough alcohol to make up for how much of an asshole you are.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

You’re the guy people only invite to parties because you bring expensive enough alcohol to make up for how much of an asshole you are.

Wrong. In my social circle everyone brings expensive alcohol. I wouldn't go to your party because you'd spend the whole time whining about how your stuff is "just as good" as mine even though no one cares. Stop being so unbelievably insecure or find a way to make more money. I don't really care about my stuff one way or another, but I'm not going to pretend the next guy's Lamborghini is the same as my Honda civic because I put a body kit on it.

 

[Dark-Fx]

You’re the guy people only invite to parties

People invite you guys to parties?

 

[Donald Stanfield]

People invite you guys to parties?

Only when they want expensive alcohol apparently.

 

[MColbert]

Wrong. In my social circle everyone brings expensive alcohol. I wouldn't go to your party because you'd spend the whole time whining about how your stuff is "just as good" as mine even though no one cares. Stop being so unbelievably insecure or find a way to make more money. I don't really care about my stuff one way or another, but I'm not going to pretend the next guy's Lamborghini is the same as my Honda civic because I put a body kit on it.
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Damn, I

People invite you guys to parties?

I’ll admit I’ve gone down a shitty path with that asshole, not my finest work.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I’ll admit I’ve gone down a shitty path with that asshole, not my finest work.

It was meant to be self-deprecating humor, but I see how it might have been missed so I apologize.

 

[MColbert]

I’ll admit I’ve gone down a shitty path with that asshole, not my finest work.

Ahh, I read it differently. Gotcha

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Ahh, I read it differently. Gotcha

Shocker. Reading comprehension isn't exactly your strong suit.

 

[MColbert]

Shocker. Reading comprehension isn't exactly your strong suit.

You’re a child, move on. Everybody else is.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

You’re a child, move on. Everybody else is.

You call whining and calling me an asshole moving on? I guess that shouldn't surprise me considering you think trucks with an 8k dollar price difference are the same thing.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

While I do get a bit of perverse pleasure reading this back and forth I'll chime in and say, technically both are correct, but also, we are inferring what Rivians plan for software features will be going forward.

I agree with @Donald Stanfield these models are differentiated by a key metric, their drivetrain and badging. While @MColbert makes a solid case the adventure trim level is the same across all drivetrains, the quad motor software features compared to both dual sku's is already software differentiated with double the drive modes. Even the Performance Dual has added modes over the Dual Standard.

While it's spelled out that there are differences between each vehicle, it makes no statement that all future OTA you get on Quad will be the same, or include the same features/tweaks as a PD or SD or even vice versa.

Rivian has always pushed that the Quad Motor on a large pack is their current Halo drivetrain on the R1 platform, whether it's a 4 Bosch motors, or 4 Enduro variants, this will always be the case. As such they may be more likely to pander free OTA Easter eggs to the quad crowd over the dual as a all inclusive package, but it still is the halo drive train (yes we get it, not in @R.I.P. 's eyes /use case). A potential callout to this trend is the difference in warranty between the dual and quad. Pay more the premium, get more motors, power, drive modes, and warranty.

The same could be said that the quad crowd if willing to spend the premium on the sku in the first place, will be more willing to pay for a la carte features. Or... If the dual is differentiated by software (it already is from itself) the inclusive features of the quad would be available to those owners as rivian talked about in an a la carte fashion. Pay for the features you want, and not the ones you don't.

Either way, everyone needs to get used to this potential software disparity whether it's included in the drivetrain cost or not, because unfortunately it's coming, and Rivian is going to want/need that additional revenue. Potentially the hold off on it being a thing now is the decision to keep prices as is despite industry trends to price war.

 

[MrMusAddict]

The dual motor IS a lower package. Sorry to break it to you but less power+less cost equals lower package.

FYI, industry standard is that the motor is not firmly associated to a trim level. Here's the Build Now page for an ICE F150 XLT. I can choose 2.7L V6, 3.5L V6, or a 5.0L V8.

One trim level, 3 different amounts of power, 3 different costs.

Rivian offers one trim; Adventure. Just like Ford, Rivian offers 3 different motor options for their single trim level.

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