New 2025 Ram and Ramcharger PHEV Hybrid revealed

[moosetags]

I watched the RAM video with great interest. The choices that they are offering do not really fit our personal niche. We tow our 8,000# Airstream travel trailer over 15,000 miles per year and have been at this for 17 years. We started towing with gasoline powered Suburbans. They were OK, but did not have the torque to do a really good job. In 2011 we went to 3/4 ton Duramax Diesel trucks. These trucks have the torque to really get it done. Horse power is secondary when towing heavy. Torque is king when towing a significant load.

This is why we signed on with Rivian early on. The 908 lbs ft of torque was the key to heavy towing. The 6.6 liter Duramax comes in at 975 lbs ft of torque. Our R1T tows the Airstream as well as the Duramax. The new EV Ram with 600 lbs ft of torque just doesn't cut it for our needs. The Ford Lightning and the EV Silverado are better with 775 and 785 lbs ft of torque respectively, but still not of the R1T's level.

The Rivian R1T will do the job for us. Other EV trucks are marginal. We will be keeping the Duramax for our long trips as the places we travel to have minimal EV charging infrastructure. We are hopeful that gaining access to the Tesla Supercharger System will allow us to use the R1T for more of our trips.

Brian

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[zpowell]

It's just odd to me...like this still has a V6 with moving parts, maintenance, and emissions.

I'm all about that EV life now, so no hybrid for me.

The hybrid will outsell the Ram EV 20-1. Most of the saving benefits of EV with the ability to bypass public DC faster chargers AND the ability to tow.

 

[zpowell]

Thats funny to me because that's the exact reason I went with the Rivian not the TRX is I didn't want a huge truck.

The smaller truck has its benefits for sure, but we quickly run out of room on road trips. Two car seats, a wife, and a dog make that cabin start to feel really cramped. For day-to-day it's the perfect size.

 

[pc500]

If that's your daily commute, why are you even considering an EV?

People make this so freaking complex. Especially those who don't even own Rivian's or EVs.

I drove 20-25k last year, including seasonal snowbird trips from Seattle to Phoenix (with a cargo trailer), a 10 night camping trip to Denver and back, and drove the 600 miles from Seattle to Boise about once a month (leave at 3pm, get ina t 11pm). I also did several weekend trips to nearby locations within 5 hours of Seattle like mt hood, crater lake, etc.

next week we will be driving from Boise to st Anthony sand dunes (5 hours) with dirt bikes for the weekend.

I'm not running around to rodeo events across the country with horses, no, but bev is a challenge.

But I do want an EV. I own one. I am an early adopter, and know their are compromises, but the ram bev addresses many.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I watched the RAM video with great interest. The choices that they are offering do not really fit our personal niche. We tow our 8,000# Airstream travel trailer over 15,000 miles per year and have been at this for 17 years. We started towing with gasoline powered Suburbans. They were OK, but did not have the torque to do a really good job. In 2011 we went to 3/4 ton Duramax Diesel trucks. These trucks have the torque to really get it done. Horse power is secondary when towing heavy. Torque is king when towing a significant load.

This is why we signed on with Rivian early on. The 908 lbs ft of torque was the key to heavy towing. The 6.6 liter Duramax comes in at 975 lbs ft of torque. Our R1T tows the Airstream as well as the Duramax. The new EV Ram with 600 lbs ft of torque just doesn't cut it for our needs. The Ford Lightning and the EV Silverado are better with 775 and 785 lbs ft of torque respectively, but still not of the R1T's level.

The Rivian R1T will do the job for us. Other EV trucks are marginal. We will be keeping the Duramax for our long trips as the places we travel to have minimal EV charging infrastructure. We are hopeful that gaining access to the Tesla Supercharger System will allow us to use the R1T for more of our trips.

Brian

Torque is measured at maximum output. How often are you putting the throttle on the floor? If it is rated to tow 14,000 lbs, it will still need to pass all of the SAE towing tests at that weight.

 

[Davethadog]

I can see it for towing for sure. At least until batteries get better. Although it dies make me sad that a lot of people don’t care about emissions. That’s one of the biggest reasons we are probably screwed in the future

if you care about emissions stop buying new shit. The only thing that’s going to save us from ourselves is another plague. I could burn gas all day long in a TRX and it still wouldn’t come close to the frivolous emissions of the commercial plane travel or shipping. Capitalism at its core is at odds with averting climate change and Rivian just wants to help you sleep at night, they’re not solving the problem.

 

[Swezey]

I came from a '17 RAM CC Night Edition to my R1T.

I miss the larger cabin (at times) and how the seats folded back (not forward) to make an entire back area of the cab a dog haven.

I don't miss driving it around Austin.

I do believe the Ramcharger is going to sell like hotcakes.
I'll check it out for sure. I love my R1T, and eventually, I want to get into more road trips & traveling.
So range/charging will become a possible pain point. If I'm lucky, DC charging will have improved greatly by the time I'm ready to make that dream a reality.

Can't wait to see what they bring to the table with their REV.

 

[emoore]

if you care about emissions stop buying new shit. The only thing that’s going to save us from ourselves is another plague. I could burn gas all day long in a TRX and it still wouldn’t come close to the frivolous emissions of the commercial plane travel or shipping. Capitalism at its core is at odds with averting climate change and Rivian just wants to help you sleep at night, they’re not solving the problem.

Sure ok. So since it's not completely solving the problem we should emit as much as we want and not try to reduce it. Got it.

I don't want to turn this thread into an emissions/climate change argument. I do think this RAM will be good for the long haul and towing crowd and once pure EVs can charger quicker with longer range there will be no need for passenger cars to use gas.

 

[pc500]

I watched the RAM video with great interest. The choices that they are offering do not really fit our personal niche. We tow our 8,000# Airstream travel trailer over 15,000 miles per year and have been at this for 17 years. We started towing with gasoline powered Suburbans. They were OK, but did not have the torque to do a really good job. In 2011 we went to 3/4 ton Duramax Diesel trucks. These trucks have the torque to really get it done. Horse power is secondary when towing heavy. Torque is king when towing a significant load.

This is why we signed on with Rivian early on. The 908 lbs ft of torque was the key to heavy towing. The 6.6 liter Duramax comes in at 975 lbs ft of torque. Our R1T tows the Airstream as well as the Duramax. The new EV Ram with 600 lbs ft of torque just doesn't cut it for our needs. The Ford Lightning and the EV Silverado are better with 775 and 785 lbs ft of torque respectively, but still not of the R1T's level.

The Rivian R1T will do the job for us. Other EV trucks are marginal. We will be keeping the Duramax for our long trips as the places we travel to have minimal EV charging infrastructure. We are hopeful that gaining access to the Tesla Supercharger System will allow us to use the R1T for more of our trips.

Brian

The main bonus of the rev is the 250kw battery for towing. It makes stage lengths manageable.

I suspect towing will be better than you think. I took wish they had more hp/torque but the Duramax is peak torque and rev won't have that limitation.

I never wanted to drive a 3/4 ton everyday but I do like the Duramax.

 

[madgrey]

The Pentastar V6 motor is ubiquitous, cheap, plentiful, etc., but these trucks don't use it. This is an inline-6, 'Hurricane' significant because of inherently good NVH characterisitics, and because this motor is going in a bunch of other products, so there's economy of scale for Stellantis.

For me the Rivian still fits my use case better than these new RAMs, but my last RAM Limited was the nicest truck I ever owned.

 

[Davethadog]

Sure ok. So since it's not completely solving the problem we should emit as much as we want and not try to reduce it. Got it.

Yeah you’re right this isn’t the right forum for it but I do think we should be clear eyed that none of these things are really helping all that much.

 

[Davethadog]

The Pentastar V6 motor is ubiquitous, cheap, plentiful, etc., but these trucks don't use it.

The ramcharger uses the pentastar, the ice vehicles use the hurricane.

 

[moosetags]

Torque is measured at maximum output. How often are you putting the throttle on the floor? If it is rated to tow 14,000 lbs, it will still need to pass all of the SAE towing tests at that weight.

The R1T's 908 lbs ft of torque is available at 1 rpm. The Duramax's 975 lbs ft of torque is not realized until it hits 1,600 rpm which is pretty quick upon taking off from a stop. The R1T's torque is immediate and is noticeable when starting from a stop.

Brian

 

[pc500]

The R1T's 908 lbs ft of torque is available at 1 rpm. The Duramax's 975 lbs ft of torque is not realized until it hits 1,600 rpm which is pretty quick upon taking off from a stop. The R1T's torque is immediate and is noticeable when starting from a stop.

Brian

The torque also goes down above 1600. Additionally, transmission plus transfer case add losses before the wheels that are not insignificant.

 

[LevelHeaded]

the ram bev addresses many

you're talking about the ram phev, not the ram bev... right?

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