What $70K ICE car would you have gotten ?

[BrayBay]

If I had to pick an ICE vehicle, I'd pick a fully loaded Genesis GV80 with three rows. This car definitely caught my eye as I walked by one in real life and the interior seems luxurious.

As for quality, I don't have any concerns for Rivian being able to match or exceed the best of the traditional automakers. From what I've read and listened to, Rivan has embraced a lot of lessons learned from traditional automakers, and even has John Shook (one of the people who introduced Toyota's lean manufacturing to the US) as an advisor I believe.

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[Gshenderson]

I actually bought a 4Runner to complement my Tesla S and tide me over until an offroad capable EV hit the market. Nowhere near the same price range as R1T, but has the capabilities I need.

 

[SeaGeo]

I won't buy another ICE. I *really* considered a Ridgeline about a year and a half ago, and I just couldn't do it. So I would have jumped into another smaller BEV.

 

[paariv]

Defender 110 or Volvo XC90 plug in, maybe an x5, but I’ve had BMWs forever and am ready for a change.

 

[SANZC02]

I will not ever buy another ICE. If Rivian fails to deliver, the backup plan is either a Model X, or to just wait for someone else to make an EV that meets our needs.

I'm not sure if I actually like the R1S more than the Model X(there are things I like more about the Rivian, but there also things I like more about the Tesla X), but the $35,000 price difference makes it an easy decision to go with Rivian.

Curious what features you like better about the X over the R1S. When I bought my S the falcon doors was why I did not get the X. I was not a fan of the sloping rear roof line on the X either, for a crossover seems like it wastes too much of the cargo area. The X will be more efficient per KW and the supercharger network is a plus.

 

[EVTrucking]

Hey Everyone, just wondering, If Rivian did not provide a suitable option for a (relatively) large EV SUV, what similarly priced ICE SUV would you have considered getting?
Do you have concerns about the quality and reliability of the Rivian R1S vs. a legacy ICE based substitute ?

Personally - I like the Range Rover sport, hence why the R1S caught my eye.

No ICE at any price. No more tailpipes.

I am going with a Mach-E until my Rivian is available.

I wonder how long it will be before ICE vehicles are taxed and lose most of their value?

 

[DuckTruck]

Since the question is about an ICE for $70k, if I could find it now, it would be a C8 Corvette.

So very different from the Rivian in most aspects, but in one respect, they are very similar. Each provides enormous value for the dollar. Even the base Corvette at $60k (if you can find one) is a monster of a deal with SuperCar-type handling and performance. When Chevy figures out how electrify the 'Vette, watch out. That will be an on-pavement-only type of Adventure! Hopefully!

All that said, I'd much rather have the ElectriVette. I'm guessing it might cost juuuust a little bit more than $60k.

 

[hola29]

Defender

 

[DuckTruck]

No ICE at any price. No more tailpipes.

I am going with a Mach-E until my Rivian is available.

I wonder how long it will be before ICE vehicles are taxed and lose most of their value?

EVTrucking,

I know I just weighed in about how much I'd love the C8 Corvette. The truth is, that will never (?) happen for me. I hope my last ICEmobile purchased is truly the last ICEmobile I buy. I'm in love with the thought of purchasing only BEVs going forward. I'd love to explore the Corvette and other vehicles, once electric versions are available. In a fairly short period of time, BEVs will be the norm. I'd guess that most, if not all, new and legacy OEMs are spending far more on developing electric propulsion over their petroleum-based motors. That gap will be ever-widening in the future.

I'm not sure Congress has the will to attempt to tax the vehicles themselves. I would think they'd be more apt to up the gasoline taxes so as to extract the most taxation from/inflict the most financial pain to those who burn the most gas. A true use tax. If they did move that boldly, what are the odds that the new revenue would be used to address the climate change issues directly, or even indirectly?

I have a few cars that haven't been driven at all for some time, one since 1988. No carbon footprint in 33 years. Some notable people were just entering grade school around that time. I assume you're talking about new car sales, but I could see a looming transfer tax (https://www.google.com/search?q=Joh...ate=ive&vld=cid:6b1628f7,vid:iyp9fh-u4w8,st:0) for used car sales gaining favor with lawmakers whose pet projects are dependent on our tax dollars.

I was going to ask "When has Congress ever exercised the will to act so boldly as to increase use/carbon taxes, including on our vehicles?" I realize now the answer actually lies in the first half of that question. Specifically, "When has Congress ever exercised the will to act?" Period. Sorry, I had to go there. That was a non-partisan jab at all 535+ "leaders".

I know two things for certain from my research, talking with others, and my own recent experience.

1. You will love the Mach-E until your Rivian is available, and

2. You WILL LOVE your Rivian once it arrives.

Sleep well.

 

[Kialoa]

Lightly modified ~2014 Cayenne… until Rivian is available.

 

[ajdelange]

I wouldn't. I don't need another car, SUV or truck. Getting a Rivian or CT or both is insane in terms of the lost opportunity costs. So why am I doing it? For what a colleague used to call "technolust". The Teslas are absolutely the best cars I've ever driven to the point that the minor restrictions they impose are not even worth consideration (and they are waning as the SC net builds out).

As to quality concerns: none at this point. Any comments from Duck on what he saw in Normal (and while I'm at it is there really a flashlight in the door)?

My main concern with Rivian at this point is that charging isn't going to be as easy as it is with Tesla but that's not enough to make me even think about replacing one of my ICE vehicles with another. Add me to the list who said they'll never buy another ICE car or truck.

 

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Curious what features you like better about the X over the R1S. When I bought my S the falcon doors was why I did not get the X. I was not a fan of the sloping rear roof line on the X either, for a crossover seems like it wastes too much of the cargo area. The X will be more efficient per KW and the supercharger network is a plus.

In no particular order.

Model X pros

• Range
• Charging speed
• Autopilot
• I am Already familiar and comfortable with Supercharger network
• All the above items add up to make it a better road trip vehicle and I do 12-20 hour (each way) road trips quite frequently
• Established and proven brand in EV space, although Tesla's had fair share of reliability issues they've had 10 years to work out the kinks. And at this point the limitations are pretty well known. There's no way to know what problems are going to pop up in rivian's first gen product 10 years down the road.
• keys are compatible with my model 3. I could cary one key that operates both of my cars
• 6 seat option for easier access to the 3rd row
• Falcon doors for easier access to kids when strapping them into carseats
• Carseat latches in 3rd row
• Lower center of gravity for more sedan like handling
• Infotainment system more polished (we haven't seen rivian's yet, but I do not anticipate it will be as polished at launch as Tesla's has become after years of refinements)
• Tesla's charging plug is more aesthetically pleasing and user friendly
• I can install 2 Tesla wall chargers on the same circuit. There's not currently a solution to charge a Tesla and a Rivian simultaneously on a single circuit without using plug adapters (which makes the plug/cable situation for rivian a bigger negative than it already was)

R1S pros

• $35,000 cheaper
• 7k tax credit(taking the effective price difference even bigger)
• More cargo room (hopefully)
• Towing capacity
• Hitch accessory rack compatibility (hopefully better than Model X 120 lb limit which limits usefulness)
• Faster acceleration (plaid is out of my price range)
• Exterior aesthetics (I don't love the egg look)
• Access to both ccs and supercharger Networks (assuming the rumors about Tesla opening up supercharger Network come true)
• Not made by Elon
• They don't try to hide the actual price with gimmicks about cost savings from fuel / incentives.

 

[flabyboy]

Porsche Cayenne most likely if I’m spending that kind of money

 

[flabyboy]

In no particular order.

Model X pros

• Range
• Charging speed
• Autopilot
• I am Already familiar and comfortable with Supercharger network
• All the above items add up to make it a better road trip vehicle and I do 12-20 hour (each way) road trips quite frequently
• Established and proven brand in EV space, although Tesla's had fair share of reliability issues they've had 10 years to work out the kinks. And at this point the limitations are pretty well known. There's no way to know what problems are going to pop up in rivian's first gen product 10 years down the road.
• keys are compatible with my model 3. I could cary one key that operates both of my cars
• 6 seat option for easier access to the 3rd row
• Falcon doors for easier access to kids when strapping them into carseats
• Carseat latches in 3rd row
• Lower center of gravity for more sedan like handling
• Infotainment system more polished (we haven't seen rivian's yet, but I do not anticipate it will be as polished at launch as Tesla's has become after years of refinements)
• Tesla's charging plug is more aesthetically pleasing and user friendly
• I can install 2 Tesla wall chargers on the same circuit. There's not currently a solution to charge a Tesla and a Rivian simultaneously on a single circuit without using plug adapters (which makes the plug/cable situation for rivian a bigger negative than it already was)

R1S pros

• $35,000 cheaper
• 7k tax credit(taking the effective price difference even bigger)
• More cargo room (hopefully)
• Towing capacity
• Hitch accessory rack compatibility (hopefully better than Model X 120 lb limit which limits usefulness)
• Faster acceleration (plaid is out of my price range)
• Exterior aesthetics (I don't love the egg look)
• Access to both ccs and supercharger Networks (assuming the rumors about Tesla opening up supercharger Network come true)
• Not made by Elon
• They don't try to hide the actual price with gimmicks about cost savings from fuel / incentives.

I’m very hopeful that the quality of the interior is superior and the fit and finish if the exterior is as well

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