Rivian testing new Driver+ (Autonomy Experience Module) -- stops by the FCC

[Dark-Fx]

You already do - all those other cars on the road, driven by drivers in who-knows-what-condition/ability.

HUGE difference between being in one of those vehicles versus in control of my own.

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[zymolysis]

HUGE difference between being in one of those vehicles versus in control of my own.

But there's a lot more of them. If the average driver intelligence (either human or machine) in the cars on the road improves, so will your safety (however vaunted your skills may be). Remember, "Drives better than my wife at night" is the current floor, not the future upper limit.

 

[Dark-Fx]

But there's a lot more of them. If the average driver intelligence (either human or machine) in the cars on the road improves, so will your safety (however vaunted your skills may be). Remember, "Drives better than my wife at night" is the current floor, not the future upper limit.

I've only been involved in a single multi-vehicle accident in my life, was not my fault, but I just didn't react quick enough to the impending doom coming up behind me. Was not really a place to "go" but I could have made one given the circumstances. A computer can't and shouldn't make that judgement for me in that situation.

 

[zymolysis]

I've only been involved in a single multi-vehicle accident in my life, was not my fault, but I just didn't react quick enough to the impending doom coming up behind me. Was not really a place to "go" but I could have made one given the circumstances. A computer can't and shouldn't make that judgement for me in that situation.

You may have a lifetime of experience, but it is still very, very limited.
If every one of those cars had had the capabilities that will be available within just a few years, maybe none of them would have been involved in that accident. If one or two of those cars had had said capabilities, maybe none of them would have been involved in that accident.

 

[Dark-Fx]

You may have a lifetime of experience, but it is still very, very limited.
If every one of those cars had had the capabilities that will be available within just a few years, maybe none of them would have been involved in that accident. If one or two of those cars had had said capabilities, maybe none of them would have been involved in that accident.

A Tesla with FSD still would have hit me. Large vehicle was following too close and traffic came to a sudden stop in my lane. The large vehicle swerved around me into an open lane without slowing down at all, but the guy behind him had a vehicle next to him, so he had no where to go. I could have jumped the curb and run over a sandwich board to avoid getting hit from behind, but didn't make that decision fast enough.

A Tesla with radar (which they don't have anymore) might have been able to avoid that accident by braking early since radar bounces off the ground to "see through" cars. Just vision though? No chance.

I have serious doubts about your assertion in this situation.

 

[zymolysis]

I have serious doubts about your assertion in this situation.

I guess we'll never know about that accident.
But if traffic accident or injury rates start coming down within the next five years, it'll probably be due to smarter (more capable) cars, rather than smarter humans.

P.S. "Large vehicle was following too close..."
Large vehicle probably would not have been "following too close" if it had been in an autonomous mode.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

But if traffic accident or injury rates start coming down within the next five years, it'll probably be due to smarter (more capable) cars, rather than smarter humans.

I have my bet on humans getting worse. In fact I'd probably invest money in it if there was a straight forwards way of doing so.

So much worse that it will erase any gains made in cars being smarter.

Personally I think drivers should be selected by insurance companies and not the other way around. You have to prove you have the right stuff. If you have the wrong stuff there is always State Farm.

 

[MtnBiker]

Clearly Tesla leads the autonomous driving technology now, and they may have the “moat” with unrivaled data. But in new technology, it’s not always the today’s leader emerges as the dominant winner. BlackBerry, Motorola, Nokia, just name a few 25 yrs ago.

Actually, I think Mercedes is ahead, I believe they were approved for level 3 a while ago. See link

https://group.mercedes-benz.com/inn...on/autonomous-driving/drive-pilot-nevada.html

 

[Rivian Head]

Actually, I think Mercedes is ahead, I believe they were approved for level 3 a while ago. See link

https://group.mercedes-benz.com/inn...on/autonomous-driving/drive-pilot-nevada.html

Nice to know that autonomous driving is around the corner. Benz system, however, limits to certain highways , less than 40 mi/ hr, and too many restrictions. Tesla’s camera based system is simpler, cheaper, allows Tesla to gather tons of data quickly and cheaply. Anxiously waiting to see Mobile Eyes system.

 

[pinolero]

I drove V12.3 for 10 days. Already drives better than my wife at night. Needs some minor touch ups, and soon will be level 4. AI is changing the world rapidly. Either you get on it or left behind with your prejudice.

I've been putting it through my usual driving activities and for me it's nowhere near ready. Yes, it's improved in other areas and yes it can do some amazing navigating in tough situations, but the basic stuff like highway lane changes have been degraded in my experience among others that I will not bore everyone with.

Like those in the past have stated, it takes two steps forward and then two steps back in certain areas that were working just fine before.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Just get whatever hardware comparable to Tesla, and license it from Tesla .
And give consumers the option of paying for monthly subscription, just like superchargers. Why spend billions of dollars trying to catch up? Rivian just doesn’t have the resources to compete in AI software

And bleed money to Tesla? Elon Musk has joined y’all.

 

[obababoy]

And bleed money to Tesla? Elon Musk has joined y’all.

So weird how aggressive people get about Elon Musk, but it fits some of the demographics here.

Tesla gave free FSD and my buddy showed me a 30 minute drive home through roundabouts and terrible Colorado roads and it navigated all the way home and drove smoothly. If I could add that to this Rivian which has an almost completely useless Driver+ I would. Our Hyundai Palisade from 2021 has better lane keep and no road restrictions.

I still love my R1T but I never user driver +

 

[camaroz1985]

Not interest in FSD, but I would like SuperCruise/BlueCruise hands free highway driving as was advertised to be available when we bought the trucks.

I'm assuming that will never happen with current hardware which seems kind of bait and switchy, but glad to see they might have some hardware coming that can accomplish this. I wonder if they would offer it as a retrofit like Tesla did with their earlier vehicles.

 

[GuyR1S]

Autopilot and Full Self Driving are pretty good and come in handy - they are tools to be used, not a replacement for a human driver (yet). I wish Rivian would have a feature like Autopilot available on any road rather than just Highway Assist on roads it deems highways - Autopilot really comes in handy for bumper to bumper traffic or when driving into extreme sunlight or in bad weather (although once cameras get blocked by rain or snow it may not work too well!) or when you need to pick up something on the floor - all the little emergencies that can pop up within the cabin that a quick (less than 30 seconds) 'hand on the wheel and eyes on the road' comes in very handy. For anyone who doesn't like the idea of assisted driving - live with it for a while and you'll change your tune (I'm on my second Model 3 and while I love my R1S - Tesla is still the one to aim for as far as tech.)

 

[razmataz]

Just get whatever hardware comparable to Tesla, and license it from Tesla .
And give consumers the option of paying for monthly subscription, just like superchargers. Why spend billions of dollars trying to catch up? Rivian just doesn’t have the resources to compete in AI software

That is not a bad idea if it was that simple. There are foundational intellectual properties and enhancements being developed that are involved with each autonomy platform, sensors, sensor fusion, and embedded controllers, and this is the holy grail for these companies. As Tesla owners can attest, the evolution of the technology is slow and far from mature, and far from it becoming a black box commodity. These features are typically guarded closely, and even if it made good business sense by all parties involved to license, gaining access involves complicated contractual agreements limiting the licensor from developing similar features down the API level. Additionally, as the software technology business goes, it would be naive to think that a Tesla will treat its special sauce and the latest inventions easily accessible, so someone like Rivian will always be a few generations behind. So I am all for Rivian being prudent about their capital expenditures, but on this one, I would say they have to go all the way. Just food for thought.

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