**VIDEO** Rivian R1T vs Cybertruck vs Ford Raptor R - Jumps, G-Outs, Fast Trail Driving

[MountainPassPerformance]

Hey Everyone,

We finally got out to my friend's farm to test our R1T against the Cybertruck, as well as to compare the two vehicles against his new Raptor R. Scotty's farm is an awesome place for us older kids to play, and while we were really expecting the Rivian to be far and away better in all aspects than the Cybertruck, unfortunately, the truck kept cutting power whenever we were sideways. So that really took a lot of the fun away.

The Rivian was the tougher vehicle as expected though, only the steering wheel is slightly off (to be determined why) whereas the Cybertruck bent a suspension link, had the rear bed cover come off the rails and lost the two rear tire deflectors.

Hopefully in the future a software update opens up the off-road modes more on the Rivian to give more freedom to drivers who want to drive more aggressively. Otherwise, the truck was great.

In terms of landing, after reviewing the data and footage both trucks are quite similar. As expected they are both under damped and land comparably at similar take-off speeds.

In the high speed G-Outs both trucks bottomed fairly aggressively around 120km/h resulting in 4G's of vertical load - for perspective that means approx 29,000lbs of force was going through the vehicle. This was very similar to the Raptor R - it could go a few km/h faster but it was far less composed than the EV trucks with a lower CoG.

As you can clearly see from my comments above - this testing was purely for science. It was difficult and boring, but someone had to do it.

Here's the full video, it's worth a watch!

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[zefram47]

Did you actually turn off the traction/stability control? Most of the mode default to it being on and I think even rally mode defaults to reduced but not off. With everything off it'll definitely slide...I did it in rally and drift mode on an ice/snow course this winter.

 

[Mark_AZR1T]

In drift mode, sliding like a rally car person (so I pretend), I've never had power cut off.....

 

[Killer95Stang]

Loved the video.... Can't wait until you guys get your hands on an R1 Gen2 Quad, to try this same test again. Hopefully the gen 2 can fix some of the issues you encountered.

 

[MountainPassPerformance]

Thanks!

Yes confirmed 100% - the stability was "OFF" (where you have to hold the button for a moment) and not on reduced. We tried both Rally mode and Drift mode.

I presume it has a G-force or yaw limit - once that was eclipsed the vehicle cut torque until the vehicle regained stability.

In the slow-speed stuff it was fine, and let the truck slide a bit and kept the power on. In the high speed, or when asking for power when the truck was already sideways, there was absolutely zero torque response!

 

[Glembi2]

Taking a jump fast enough to bottom out a 3.5 t truck - priceless

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[ThumprMN]

Uhh ohh… earned a lil boo-boo

 

[RivianRunner]

Hey Everyone,

We finally got out to my friend's farm to test our R1T against the Cybertruck, as well as to compare the two vehicles against his new Raptor R. Scotty's farm is an awesome place for us older kids to play, and while we were really expecting the Rivian to be far and away better in all aspects than the Cybertruck, unfortunately, the truck kept cutting power whenever we were sideways. So that really took a lot of the fun away.

The Rivian was the tougher vehicle as expected though, only the steering wheel is slightly off (to be determined why) whereas the Cybertruck bent a suspension link, had the rear bed cover come off the rails and lost the two rear tire deflectors.

Hopefully in the future a software update opens up the off-road modes more on the Rivian to give more freedom to drivers who want to drive more aggressively. Otherwise, the truck was great.

In terms of landing, after reviewing the data and footage both trucks are quite similar. As expected they are both under damped and land comparably at similar take-off speeds.

In the high speed G-Outs both trucks bottomed fairly aggressively around 120km/h resulting in 4G's of vertical load - for perspective that means approx 29,000lbs of force was going through the vehicle. This was very similar to the Raptor R - it could go a few km/h faster but it was far less composed than the EV trucks with a lower CoG.

As you can clearly see from my comments above - this testing was purely for science. It was difficult and boring, but someone had to do it.

Here's the full video, it's worth a watch!

Thanks for all the hard "work" Sasha!

For the last two months (ever since we got the off-road update) I've been saying how good the Cybertruck is off-road, but people said I must not know what I'm talking about, it was impossible for a city truck for rich kids to be good off-road. Thanks for showing everyone who have never driven the Cybertruck off-road how it masters the rough and tough.

I was hoping for more comparison to the Raptor-R. Also, in regard to the damage, which truck do you think you drove at higher speeds through the whoops and corners? Because it looked like the two of you got in the Cybertruck at the end and had some more fun.

I bring this up because I can hear all the Tesla haters now claim it's too fragile to drive off-road. Do you know why the suspension arm bent? Was it the stamped steel front upper?

 

[Electron]

Awesome video guys please keep them rolling.

The amount of force on the suspension and wheels when coming down hard is impressive.

That 35.x ° angle design living its best life to shine for moments like this.

Couldn't help but notice this. It's just one of those things. If you know, you know. (Movie reference ) Epic shot. It would be great to clip the original high res and print it.

The guys over at MPP are awesome. I've installed MPP Coilovers + other MPP products on all of our Teslas and had a chance to talk with them over suspension stuff. Solid dudes.

 

[Electron]

Thanks for all the hard "work" Sasha!

For the last two months (ever since we got the off-road update) I've been saying how good the Cybertruck is off-road, but people said I must not know what I'm talking about, it was impossible for a city truck for rich kids to be good off-road. Thanks for showing everyone who have never driven the Cybertruck off-road how it masters the rough and tough.

I was hoping for more comparison to the Raptor-R. Also, in regard to the damage, which truck do you think you drove at higher speeds through the whoops and corners? Because it looked like the two of you got in the Cybertruck at the end and had some more fun.

I bring this up because I can hear all the Tesla haters now claim it's too fragile to drive off-road. Do you know why the suspension arm bent? Was it the stamped steel front upper?

The CT is a force to be reckoned with. It's an engineering marvel and does a lot of things well. I've had a chance to spend a day with the CT early on and it drives many times better than the R1s and that's simply a fact. Our neighbor has a FE as well and it excels in almost all areas with very few cons that wouldn't necessarily be a make it or break it for those interested in the CT.

I think Rivian can learn a lot from what Tesla did with the CT, perhaps maybe even a steer-by-wire one day. There's a reason why several auto makers are reverse engineering the CT. Says a lot.

Going back to the ride quality and suspension, I wouldn't be surprised if Rivian learned a thing or two and modeled their tuning after reverse engineering a CT for the Gen 2.

 

[RivianRunner]

I think Rivian can learn a lot from what Tesla did with the CT, perhaps maybe even a steer-by-wire one day. There's a reason why several auto makers are reverse engineering the CT. Says a lot.

Tesla can afford to provide steer-by-wire because they have superior manufacturing/operating efficiency. I think if Rivian added SBW, it would just increase their loss per car or push the prices too high to have much of an addressable market.

Going back to the ride quality and suspension, I wouldn't be surprised if Rivian learned a thing or two and modeled their tuning after reverse engineering a CT for the Gen 2.

That's a good idea, it's not like much of the EV tech Rivian uses didn't trickle down from Tesla and ex-Tesla employees anyway. Tesla is innovating so quickly I'm afraid Rivian has to continue to adopt the latest and greatest or risk becoming irrelevant.

 

[Biturbowned]

Thanks!

Yes confirmed 100% - the stability was "OFF" (where you have to hold the button for a moment) and not on reduced. We tried both Rally mode and Drift mode.

I presume it has a G-force or yaw limit - once that was eclipsed the vehicle cut torque until the vehicle regained stability.

In the slow-speed stuff it was fine, and let the truck slide a bit and kept the power on. In the high speed, or when asking for power when the truck was already sideways, there was absolutely zero torque response!

Thanks for including the “engineering view” of torque for us nerds. The GUI definitely reflects what you were saying - it showed zero torque going to the motors when you were sideways. Pretty interesting, maybe a bit disappointing, but appears to be a design decision vice a physical limitation of the hardware/software. Very cool, thanks for sharing!

 

[MountainPassPerformance]

It's really nice to see the appreciation of a competitor vehicle on this forum.

For sure the Cybertruck has some strengths that can be appreciated, even if its looks and interior design are perhaps questionable.

It does seem as though the latest software update was inspired by the Cybertruck's ride. The Rivian ride is now much more supple and actually quite similar to the Cybertruck. Which is a very welcome update for on-road comfort!

Awesome video guys please keep them rolling.

The amount of force on the suspension and wheels when coming down hard is impressive.

That 35.x ° angle design living its best life to shine for moments like this.

Couldn't help but notice this. It's just one of those things. If you know, you know. Epic shot. It would be great to clip the original high res and print it.

The guys over at MPP are awesome. I've installed MPP Coilovers + other MPP products on all of our Teslas and had a chance to talk with them over suspension stuff. Solid dudes.

Thanks so much for the kind words!! And yeah, the vortex being thrown up is super cool!! Nice spot!

 

[Blueassassin]

Take them all to a road track race. Like auto cross.

 

[SwampNut]

Take them all to a road track race. Like auto cross.

I plan to get mine to Solocross, but can't figure out if they will allow it or not. They don't allow vehicles that roll easily. An F150 would be out. But a sport truck that almost can't roll? I couldn't find any specific rules/judgements on the Rivian in SCCA. Anyone with info, please post.

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