Rivian CEO says Apple CarPlay isn’t going to happen…

[Toadkillerdog]

I love CarPlay probably because it is so familiar vehicle to vehicle and miss the texting features but RJ says it is coming. However as time goes on I miss CarPlay less and less and will be very content with the Apple music app and without the rest of CarPlay. Rivian has a pretty decent and capable UI that keeps getting better.

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[RivAW]

It’s crazy that this is even still a thing and people insist on posting and whining about it. Rivian has said since the beginning that they are not interested in integrating CarPlay and even stated their reasoning. Like it or not; it is what it is. There are options for a 3rd party CarPlay adaption if you can’t live without it.

 

[Mountain Life]

And companies never change their mind given backlash from the customer base??

 

[Mountain Life]

Since so many voices on this forum clamor for CP and AA, I am compelled to respectfully cast my vote. I am NOT a fan of CP and AA adoption by Rivian. I much prefer the Rivian UI, and I can wait for new features.

Full disclosure: I love my R1T going on two years and 27K miles. For me, its the best all-around vehicle that I've ever owned over a 50-year period, including ones from every US manufacturer, Toyota, Honda, Lexus, VW, and many M-Bs. It's not perfect, but nothing is, including much of the stuff from Apple (iPhone) and Google (apps) that I have to use daily. Dominance is bad, competition is good.

You realize you directly contradicted yourself here right?? "Dominance is bad..." but you only want the Rivian option?

 

[racekarl]

Not trying to start a verbal spat here but aren't y'all doing the same thing by stating AA/AC is the "only" correct solution?

No, I think that's a false equivalence. A crux of the pro CP/AA crowd's argument is that CP/AA is, or can, be in addition to the first party implementation, not in place of it; from the user's point of view you can use it if you want, or don't - and basically never know it's there. The counter argument leaves room for only one option to be the "right choice" from a user's point of view.

A second point about posts like "just do XYZ that's already there" is that they are mildly insulting or infuriating. They imply (whether intended or not) that the other poster is either unaware of an existing obvious feature, doesn't understand how it works, or just has poor taste.

 

[rkccs257]

No, I think that's a false equivalence. A crux of the pro CP/AA crowd's argument is that CP/AA is, or can, be in addition to the first party implementation, not in place of it; from the user's point of view you can use it if you want, or don't - and basically never know it's there. The counter argument leaves room for only one option to be the "right choice" from a user's point of view.

A second point about posts like "just do XYZ that's already there" is that they are mildly insulting or infuriating. They imply (whether intended or not) that the other poster is either unaware of an existing obvious feature, doesn't understand how it works, or just has poor taste.

Sounds the same to me and also at the insult "poor taste". It's the company's products, they do whatever they want. Y'all know when y'all bought the vics. I see the cancel culture lives on within this thread, so toxic.

 

[racekarl]

Sounds the same to me and also at the insult "poor taste". It's the company's products, they do whatever they want. Y'all know when y'all bought the vics. I see the cancel culture lives on within this thread, so toxic.

LOL OK, boomer

 

[freshpow]

I hate these threads with a passion and feel guilty for participating but here goes...I really get a kick out of all the complaining and people who think that the lack of CarPlay will hinder future sales in any meaningful way (see Tesla). I get that some people still want it but as pointed out by others, there are aftermarket options that will give you exactly what you're asking for at a negligible price and very little effort to install. If you're not willing to spend a couple hundred bucks for one of those, it simply can't be the huge deal that it's often made out to be. I always chuckle when I see second-hand units offered up for sale here with little to no interest.

 

[hekhl00]

Ok so we aren’t getting CP. No big surprise. Its anti-consumer and punitive to the customer base to deny us access to all the apps in CP but it’s not a surprise. It is what it is and RJ has always been against it.

So when do we get more native apps? We’ve only had one new app (Tidal) since the R1 launched three years ago but I’m sure they’re gonna start rolling out in big quantities any day now, right? Then all these CP threads will go away. it was never about CP for me. it’s always been about content. So come on RJ. You’ve drawn the line in the sand saying you can do better than CP. Time to deliver.

 

[ukyank]

Ok so we aren’t getting CP. No big surprise. Its anti-consumer and punitive to the customer base to deny us access to all the apps in CP but it’s not a surprise. It is what it is and RJ has always been against it.

So when do we get more native apps? We’ve only had one (Tidal) since the R1 launched three years ago but I’m sure they’re gonna start rolling out in big quantities any day now, right? Then all these CP threads will go away. it was never about CP for me. it’s always been about content. So come on RJ. You’ve drawn the line in the sand saying you can do better than CP. Time to deliver.

Rivian wouldn’t be the one making the apps, the apps would be made for Rivian by the owners of the service & so far Rivian doesn’t have enough owners for it to be worthwhile for said app builders.

CarPlay alleviates this issue of course but oddly some Rivian owners are apparently very content with having an extremely limited number of options available natively.

 

[hekhl00]

Rivian wouldn’t be the one making the apps, the apps would be made for Rivian by the owners of the service & so far Rivian doesn’t have enough owners for it to be worthwhile for said app builders.

CarPlay alleviates this issue of course but oddly some Rivian owners are apparently very content with having an extremely limited number of options available natively.

Every pole I’ve seen says the majority of us want CP. But again, RJ doesn’t care. It’s all about control. Like I said, It is what it is. I love everything else about my Rivian. It’s the most amazing vehicle I’ve ever owned, with one glaring 14 inch flaw staring me in the face every time I get in it.

 

[racekarl]

Rivian wouldn’t be the one making the apps, the apps would be made for Rivian by the owners of the service & so far Rivian doesn’t have enough owners for it to be worthwhile for said app builders.

I have not seen any indication that Rivian has opened their platform to outside developers, have you? AFAIK every piece of software in the Rivian was written by Rivian, and given that is part of their secret sauce (just ask VW) I expect that to continue to be the case.

 

[mcclajb]

Sounds the same to me and also at the insult "poor taste". It's the company's products, they do whatever they want. Y'all know when y'all bought the vics. I see the cancel culture lives on within this thread, so toxic.

So many questions here...

You really think your statement and the response from the CP/AA folks sound the same? They are absolutely opposite, and that's not even a debate. Nobody has said CP/AA is the "only" option. Many people have gone to great lengths to explain that it would be "an" option, while having the Rivian UI remain.

And the cancel culture comment...that's trolling, right? You are on the side of not allowing a segment of the customer base (the majority by all polls on this site and Reddit) to not have an option that would literally never affect you if you chose not to use it. Who have you heard from on the CP/AA side that is trying to "cancel" you or the default Rivian UI? If statements like this are serious, there's a huge segment of the community that needs to be properly educated. Nobody is taking anything from you.

You are correct that it is a little toxic here, but not for the reasons you think. Scroll through, and you'll see posts from the CP/AA side make logical, well-reasoned contributions. Most (not all) of the counterpoints aren't real arguments at all. It's just "quit whining" and "how many times do we have to hear this...you aren't getting CP." By the way, "stop whining" is an admission that you don't have a valid argument, so those posts aren't the flex that you think they are. Nobody is whining, and we know Rivian isn't going to offer the option. We're just trying to have a discussion. If you can't handle that, it may be time to step away from the computer for a bit.

 

[mcclajb]

I hate these threads with a passion and feel guilty for participating but here goes...I really get a kick out of all the complaining and people who think that the lack of CarPlay will hinder future sales in any meaningful way (see Tesla). I get that some people still want it but as pointed out by others, there are aftermarket options that will give you exactly what you're asking for at a negligible price and very little effort to install. If you're not willing to spend a couple hundred bucks for one of those, it simply can't be the huge deal that it's often made out to be. I always chuckle when I see second-hand units offered up for sale here with little to no interest.

It's hard, if not impossible, to ever quantify how many people actually pass on the vehicle because of something like this, and then it's subjective as to whether it is a "meaningful" amount. Who knows. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't.

It's nice that there are aftermarket options, and I think several people here use them. I would just point out that there is a vast difference between OEM quality and integration vs. a cheap add-on. I used one in a Tesla for a bit. The finish wasn't exactly on par with Tesla, but it was pretty amazing to have Waze. The only reason that unit isn't used anymore is because it was in my wife's car, and she didn't like it had to be installed in a way that blocked the vents. And it's removal coincided with me receiving my Rivian, at which time I ceased driving her Model 3. Installation in the Rivian seems a little tricky since the aftermarket display has to ride over the massive center screen. I'll just use my phone while driving and live dangerously.

 

[ironpig]

I have had my Rivian for over 2 years without CarPlay and it's been fine. I haven't missed it. But I also don't want to text in my car. I just want music, maps and phone calls - and I have all that.

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