Tesla chargers and everyone else

[SANZC02]

Pretty sure it's only Rivian and Ford right now. That's what my Tesla app says too.

I agree, Magic Dock open to anyone but the NACS stations currently only open to Ford and Rivian.

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[RivianRunner]

I agree, Magic Dock open to anyone but the NACS stations currently only open to Ford and Rivian.

GM EVs have access to almost 18,000 Tesla Superchargers using an adapter.

This does not include ALL Tesla Superchargers, but most Ver. 3 and Version 4 Superchargers work with GM vehicles if you have an adapter. They are NOT all Magic Dock sites.

I don't know what's wrong with this forum, but my posts are being delayed, sometimes for multiple days, before my posts get posted. It's beyond my control but it's like they go into Never, Never Land for a few days. This makes it very hard to correct misinformation in a timely fashion.

 

[SANZC02]

GM EVs have access to almost 18,000 Tesla Superchargers using an adapter.

This does not include ALL Tesla Superchargers, but most Ver. 3 and Version 4 Superchargers work with GM vehicles if you have an adapter. They are NOT all Magic Dock sites.

I don't know what's wrong with this forum, but my posts are being delayed, sometimes for multiple days, before my posts get posted. It's beyond my control but it's like they go into Never, Never Land for a few days. This makes it very hard to correct misinformation in a timely fashion.

Just FYI, they got access on September 18th, you are replying to my post from Sept 11th…. ??

 

[emoore]

GM EVs have access to almost 18,000 Tesla Superchargers using an adapter.

This does not include ALL Tesla Superchargers, but most Ver. 3 and Version 4 Superchargers work with GM vehicles if you have an adapter. They are NOT all Magic Dock sites.

I don't know what's wrong with this forum, but my posts are being delayed, sometimes for multiple days, before my posts get posted. It's beyond my control but it's like they go into Never, Never Land for a few days. This makes it very hard to correct misinformation in a timely fashion.

Yep less than half of the superchargers. Decent but not a game changer.

 

[DCFC]

Pretty sure it's only Rivian and Ford right now. That's what my Tesla app says too.

Correct. Other makes have not yet been enabled on the Tesla chargers that do not have a magic dock aside from GM just a couple weeks ago. Tesla is way behind on enabling Polestar, etc. Maybe if the guy at the top didn't fire a chunk of the supercharger team. But then again, when was the last time Tesla actually delivered something when he said they would?

 

[Riviaenz]

Audis, Subarus, Fords, Rivians can charge at both Tesla superchargers that have a Magic Dock AND at any and all Tesla superchargers that are 250 kW even without Magic Dock. The latter name is just a euphemism for NACS adapter.
Reason why I purchased and just got my A2Z Typhoon PRO NACS adapter for my Rivian, which I will use in my upcoming trip with my R1S. Already mapped out the Tesla superchargers I may use with my adapter. Indeed, the Rivian app shows you the Tesla chargers available to Rivian and will also tell you whether or not you will need your own adapter. So will my Tesla app tell me if my Rivian will need an adapter at a given supercharger.
Sure, not all Teslas SCs are NACS-enabled, but the quite a few that Rivians can use is a game cha nger.

From my Tesla app. selecting "Charge my other EV," then zooming out to the the Wester U.S. to see what is available. These are the Tesla chargers open to NACS.

Not accurate. Fewer than 40% of Supercharger sites in our area are accessible to non Tesla and most are v3 (250kW) chargers and a few v2 that would need to be upgraded. Heck there’s even a brand new Supercharger site about 3 miles from home that’s not enabled for NACS non-Tesla. Utah is a great example. In the whole state according to tesla.com, only 17 sites are available to non-Tesla (only one of them is MagicDock) out of ~28 at rough count using their site across the state and not counting “in development”.
https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bo...20.01015326767211&zoom=7&filters=supercharger

 

[bigsky]

Not accurate. Fewer than 40% of Supercharger sites in our area are accessible to non Tesla and most are v3 (250kW) chargers and a few v2 that would need to be upgraded. Heck there’s even a brand new Supercharger site about 3 miles from home that’s not enabled for NACS non-Tesla. Utah is a great example. In the whole state according to tesla.com, only 17 sites are available to non-Tesla (only one of them is MagicDock) out of ~28 at rough count using their site across the state and not counting “in development”.
https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bo...20.01015326767211&zoom=7&filters=supercharger

What exactly is not accurate?

 

[VSG]

Audis, Subarus, Fords, Rivians can charge at both Tesla superchargers that have a Magic Dock AND at any and all Tesla superchargers that are 250 kW even without Magic Dock.

Well I'm not the one who said you were wrong, but this in particular is wrong.

ONLY Ford, Rivian, and very recently GM are able to use Tesla superchargers that are not Magic Dock. Audis? No. Subarus? No. Just Ford and Rivian and GM so far.

Also, ALL CCS vehicles have been able to use the Magic Dock chargers since day 1 (which was early 2023 IIRC). But there are still very few of those. BTW back in early 2023 Tesla promised to open 3,500 Magic Dock chargers by the end of 2024. At my last count there were fewer than 1,000 actually open with three months left to go.

The only non-Magic Dock Tesla superchargers that are open to Ford and Rivian and GM are *some* of the V3 superchargers (250kW). The V1 and V2 superchargers are NOT open, and even many V3 are NOT open.

Whether or not this is a "game changer" really depends on your location. In Washington, it's not really a big help IMO because they didn't open chargers in any of the dead zones (places without CCS chargers).

 

[Riviaenz]

What exactly is not accurate?

“AND at any and all Tesla superchargers that are 250 kW even without Magic Dock” is inaccurate.

Check Tesla’s website and you’ll note most Superchargers sites including many v3 250kW ones do not support non Tesla. I cite the example of Utah. It’s easily verifiable by counting sites on Tesla.com. Sampling Wyoming as another example only one site in the entire state supports non Tesla - out of 13 (3 of which in planning phase). Even new deployments aren’t often open to non-Tesla.

 

[bigsky]

That's what I did not get correctly. Thanks to all of you.
It was a head-scratcher for me to see both an Audi and a Subaru at two different Tesla SCs, but as you pointed out, and it makes sense now, both Tesla locations had Magic Dock. I made a hasty generalization and indeed, there are Tesla chargers open to NACS and then there are Tesla chargers open to all other EVs (Magic Dock).
>>>I cite the example of Utah.
The Tesla app shows quite a few Tesla SCs, the vast majority strewn along I-15. I bet I can travel through Utah whichever way I choose without worrying about not finding a Tesla charger.
As for WY, a topic for another thread.

>>> Whether or not this is a "game changer" really depends on your location. In Washington, it's not really a big help IMO because they didn't open chargers in any of the dead zones (places without CCS chargers).

From my vantage point, could not disagree more. Western and most of central WA is largely a given with so many Tesla chargers. But what I have noticed is that more fast chargers even if from other companies are popping up. For example, up to now, far northeast WA and far southeast WA were indeed dead zones. Not anymore and not because of Tesla. Even with my Teslas, I would not have been able to travel to, say Lewiston ID then East into Missoula through the Lolo pass. Today, Lewiston has two fast chargers (ChargePoint) that work very well and at reasonable prices! Problem solved.

Traveling north and east, fast chargers are now available in Sandpoint iD and Chewelah. Heck, I even found a sort of fast charger (ChargePoint) in Timbuktu Boners Ferry that would work very well in a pinch.

Perhaps north central WA is still a bit iffy, or maybe not. The Tesla SC in Entiat is the last stop before heading north and even through the Cascades along the Canadian border. Would have found a fast CCS charger about half way toward I-5, but a hotel in Winthrop has a free Level 2 charger that worked great.
Really trying hard to find where I could not round trip in central and east WA without finding fast chargers. No luck so far. So absolutely, 100% it is a game changer. Again, from my vantage point, it is.

 

[VSG]

From my vantage point, could not disagree more. Western and most of central WA is largely a given with so many Tesla chargers. But what I have noticed is that more fast chargers even if from other companies are popping up. For example, up to now, far northeast WA and far southeast WA were indeed dead zones. Not anymore and not because of Tesla. Even with my Teslas, I would not have been able to travel to, say Lewiston ID then East into Missoula through the Lolo pass. Today, Lewiston has two fast chargers (ChargePoint) that work very well and at reasonable prices! Problem solved.

Traveling north and east, fast chargers are now available in Sandpoint iD and Chewelah. Heck, I even found a sort of fast charger (ChargePoint) in Timbuktu Boners Ferry that would work very well in a pinch.

Perhaps north central WA is still a bit iffy, or maybe not. The Tesla SC in Entiat is the last stop before heading north and even through the Cascades along the Canadian border. Would have found a fast CCS charger about half way toward I-5, but a hotel in Winthrop has a free Level 2 charger that worked great.
Really trying hard to find where I could not round trip in central and east WA without finding fast chargers. No luck so far. So absolutely, 100% it is a game changer. Again, from my vantage point, it is.

You "could not disagree more", but then you go on to make my point - opening up Tesla superchargers did not do much to help in WA, because Tesla did not open superchargers in the places that have thin or non-existent CCS coverage.

For example, up to now, far northeast WA and far southeast WA were indeed dead zones. Not anymore and not because of Tesla.

Exactly. Things are getting better around here, but "not because of Tesla". That's what I said.

I know because I have driven through every single county in WA in my Rivian. Some places take a bit of effort to explore using the CCS network, and none of these problem areas are helped by opening the Tesla supercharger network. Entiat is probably the most useful of the lot - although it is not necessary, it will make some trips out that way easier (if you remember to take the road on the correct side of the river). I've been to Winthrop and Wenatchee and Chelan and up to Kelowna without Tesla chargers, but again you do have to plan ahead and Entiat may make that a little easier for some itineraries.

You cite SE WA, and the new CCS chargers there, but that area is still thin on CCS chargers (try explorigin the Blue Mountains and down into the Wallows for example ...) and is STILL not covered by anyTesla superchargers at all. Which is exactly my point - opening up the Tesla superchargers is NOT a "gamechanger" here because there is already CCS coverage and because there are no superchargers open in the places where more chargers are needed.

There are NO Tesla superchargers within 100 miles of Lewiston, for example, in any direction, while there ARE some CCS choices.

There are only TWO open Tesla superchargers in the entire state of ID - both in the same town a few miles from each other, and right down the road from a RAN station and an EA station at the Stinker store. With other DCFC locations up and down the highway 25 miles away. Again, opening the Tesla superchargers is NOT a gamechanger around there.

Likewise for the Olymic Penninsula - I traveled and camped all around there before the Forks supercharger was opened, so I know exactly how thin the CCS network is. Then the Forks Magic Dock opened, but so did the RAN in Forks. So again, not a gamechanger because there are many more CCS options than there are Tesla options. I guess the Forks Magic Dock helps if you don't have a Rivian, but I did that trip before either were available so I know they're not enabling the trip, they're just making it a bit easier in some cases.

Again, my point is that the Tesla superchargers are a welcome addition to my options for DCFC in many places, but do nothing around here to enable trips that are difficult when relying only on CCS. So no changing of the game, just making the game a little eaiser in some places.

And again, as I said, the situation depends on where in the country you're located. Maybe it's a gamechanger in other places, but not here.

 

[bigsky]

You "could not disagree more", but then you go on to make my point - opening up Tesla superchargers did not do much to help in WA, because Tesla did not open superchargers in the places that have thin or non-existent CCS coverage.


Exactly. Things are getting better around here, but "not because of Tesla". That's what I said.

I know because I have driven through every single county in WA in my Rivian. Some places take a bit of effort to explore using the CCS network, and none of these problem areas are helped by opening the Tesla supercharger network. Entiat is probably the most useful of the lot - although it is not necessary, it will make some trips out that way easier (if you remember to take the road on the correct side of the river). I've been to Winthrop and Wenatchee and Chelan and up to Kelowna without Tesla chargers, but again you do have to plan ahead and Entiat may make that a little easier for some itineraries.

You cite SE WA, and the new CCS chargers there, but that area is still thin on CCS chargers (try explorigin the Blue Mountains and down into the Wallows for example ...) and is STILL not covered by anyTesla superchargers at all. Which is exactly my point - opening up the Tesla superchargers is NOT a "gamechanger" here because there is already CCS coverage and because there are no superchargers open in the places where more chargers are needed.

There are NO Tesla superchargers within 100 miles of Lewiston, for example, in any direction, while there ARE some CCS choices.

There are only TWO open Tesla superchargers in the entire state of ID - both in the same town a few miles from each other, and right down the road from a RAN station and an EA station at the Stinker store. With other DCFC locations up and down the highway 25 miles away. Again, opening the Tesla superchargers is NOT a gamechanger around there.

Likewise for the Olymic Penninsula - I traveled and camped all around there before the Forks supercharger was opened, so I know exactly how thin the CCS network is. Then the Forks Magic Dock opened, but so did the RAN in Forks. So again, not a gamechanger because there are many more CCS options than there are Tesla options. I guess the Forks Magic Dock helps if you don't have a Rivian, but I did that trip before either were available so I know they're not enabling the trip, they're just making it a bit easier in some cases.

Again, my point is that the Tesla superchargers are a welcome addition to my options for DCFC in many places, but do nothing around here to enable trips that are difficult when relying only on CCS. So no changing of the game, just making the game a little eaiser in some places.

And again, as I said, the situation depends on where in the country you're located. Maybe it's a gamechanger in other places, but not here.

Much better for me. The spots Tesla does not cover are now supported by CCS chargers at a fair price. Heading east on 90 now Tesla allows me to give the biggest middle finger to the scam EA that was a forced stops in Smelterville and Missoula, tge latter at $0.64/kWh scam price when the Tesla SC at 90 and 83 across towm much cheaper. Now I use the latter abd the one in St. Regis. And the Tesla SC in Kalispel also. Heading west and South toward OR, another big middle finger to scam EA in Ritzville. It is now Tesla SC in Sprague or Pasco or even Boardman. And the even bigger game changer for me is the certainty that I kniw that Tesla superchargers will be working just fine when I get there and that there will always be plenr of dispensers ready.
It is a huge game changer for me because I refuse and shall not use tge other lesser charging networks, ahem EA with its absurd prices unless as a very last resort. And rocketting out of my house fult charged, I can now find a tesla SC ready most everywhere I go. That is what I mean.
Hey, switching subjects, you mentioned Forks, Olympic Peninsula. May I ask, would you know, okay to tour that area in, say November weatherwise, rain notwithstanding?

 

[SANZC02]

Much better for me. The spots Tesla does not cover are now supported by CCS chargers at a fair price. Heading east on 90 now Tesla allows me to give the biggest middle finger to the scam EA that was a forced stops in Smelterville and Missoula, tge latter at $0.64/kWh scam price when the Tesla SC at 90 and 83 across towm much cheaper. Now I use the latter abd the one in St. Regis. And the Tesla SC in Kalispel also. Heading west and South toward OR, another big middle finger to scam EA in Ritzville. It is now Tesla SC in Sprague or Pasco or even Boardman. And the even bigger game changer for me is the certainty that I kniw that Tesla superchargers will be working just fine when I get there and that there will always be plenr of dispensers ready.
It is a huge game changer for me because I refuse and shall not use tge other lesser charging networks, ahem EA with its absurd prices unless as a very last resort. And rocketting out of my house fult charged, I can now find a tesla SC ready most everywhere I go. That is what I mean.
Hey, switching subjects, you mentioned Forks, Olympic Peninsula. May I ask, would you know, okay to tour that area in, say November weatherwise, rain notwithstanding?

Most of the cities I’ve been in and compared the Tesla and EA networks they are pretty close in price, usually within a few pennies. The only real differences I saw were if EA had a fixed price and Tesla was using TOU pricing, in those instances peak at Tesla was usually higher but off peak was lower.

 

[Dave Cundiff]

Hey, switching subjects, you mentioned Forks, Olympic Peninsula. May I ask, would you know, okay to tour that area in, say November weatherwise, rain notwithstanding?

I worked off and on for years near Forks, in Neah Bay and La Push WA, and now live in Washington's southwest corner about a mile from the ocean.

In November, near the coast, please be ready for anything. That close to the ocean, the weather anywhere from mid-October to late March can bring not only heavy rain but strong wind. Some years November is our windiest month. "Within about six miles of the coast, the rain falls horizontally."

When in the Forks area, do not miss the one-hour trip to Neah Bay. This is the northwestern corner of the continental USA. It has two of the most beautiful hiking trails I know (Cape Flattery Trail and Shi Shi Beach Trail). The Makah Museum and Cultural Center may be the best-equipped Native American museum outside the Smithsonian. For extra enjoyment and learning, consider asking the Museum to recommend a tribal member for a personal tour -- so many stories!

Very best wishes! Enjoy your visit, @bigsky!

 

[HaveBlue]

Tesla still prioritizes high demand locations for Tesla only. Nothing wrong with that. They open under-utilized stations for all EVs. Not happy with that? Call Rivian and ask them to install more stations in that area. You know the ones, they're only available to Rivians.

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