Feature "loss" between R1S and R2?

[OtterJohn]

Has anyone seen any info/specs/crystal ball info on what (if anything) the R2 will not get from the R1S? For example, will heated and ventilated seats be available? Heated steering wheel? The new electrochromic glass roof?

Basically, in my ideal world, the R2 will have all the features of an R1S (minus major things like the air suspension, due to costs) but in a smaller, more afordable package.

I know this is all probably speculation until we see some Rivian-published spec sheets or a build configurator...

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[Highfalutintodd]

I know this is all probably speculation until we see some Rivian-published spec sheets or a build configurator...

Yeah, but there are some knowns.. Someone asked this same basic question recently which got some good responses but for the life of me I can't immediately find it.

I know for certain that air suspension won't be in the R2 based on what I was told at the recent Nashville tour. Just about everything else will probably depend on what types of packages Rivian decides to offer and what the market will bear.

That being said, I'm with you - R1S isn't for me simply because of its size. If I can get an R2 with the same basic specs as I'd otherwise get on an R1S I'm going to be a pretty happy camper, even if it means paying much more for it. I'm already steeling myself to pay at least $60k to get what I want in my eventual R2....

 

[Ostrichsak]

Yeah, but there are some knowns.. Someone asked this same basic question recently which got some good responses but for the life of me I can't immediately find it.

I know for certain that air suspension won't be in the R2 based on what I was told at the recent Nashville tour. Just about everything else will probably depend on what types of packages Rivian decides to offer and what the market will bear.

That being said, I'm with you - R1S isn't for me simply because of its size. If I can get an R2 with the same basic specs as I'd otherwise get on an R1S I'm going to be a pretty happy camper, even if it means paying much more for it. I'm already steeling myself to pay at least $60k to get what I want in my eventual R2....

Speaking of camping... I just hope they bring the fold-flat front seats back to the R2 spec sheet. I'd even pay for the option. Fat chance.

 

[Highfalutintodd]

Speaking of camping... I just hope they bring the fold-flat front seats back to the R2 spec sheet. I'd even pay for the option. Fat chance.

That seems to be long gone. The designer who was at Nashville did say, however, that it was important for them to have it so that a 6ft tall person could sleep in the back with the rear seats folded down. I am emphatically not a camper so this means absolutely nothing to me, but hopefully it means something to you more adventurous folks out there. ;-)

 

[Ostrichsak]

That seems to be long gone. The designer who was at Nashville did say, however, that it was important for them to have it so that a 6ft tall person could sleep in the back with the rear seats folded down. I am emphatically not a camper so this means absolutely nothing to me, but hopefully it means something to you more adventurous folks out there. ;-)

I think that the problem is that it's not just the idea of a 6ft tall man being able to fit. In my experience, fitting isn't enough. You need more room. It's also about the fact that it makes reaching the screen and everything else while in the back a breeze.

Speaking of breeze, it also makes it so that your HVAC is optimized. I could go on and on but, again from our experience, being able to fold all seats flat, store shoes and other gear down at the bottom at the hatch and get in and out of the front doors easily while accessing the screen and other controls would be an absolute game changer.

In fact, it's the sole reason we put a reservation on the R2 when it was announced. I've always liked the Rivian stuff (had an EARLY reservation on the initial R1T launch before all of the line priority and pricing shenanigans began) and I've continued tracking their progress and it seems like they're trajecgtory is up adn to the right. When I saw all seats folded flat in a Model Y sized competitor vehicle... I was in immediately knowing everyhting else about the vehicle would be where we want it.

It's just sad they pulled this one seemingly unimportant feature before production because to some buyers (like us) it's a lot bigger feature. I totally get how we may not be in the majority on that one but it certainly seems like a cost-effective thing to add and if you don't use it it wouldn't detract from anything.

I guess my hope is that enough people (or just me a whole buncha times ? ) speak up about their disappointment they may make a last minute reversal of their previous reversal. A kid can dream.

 

[Highfalutintodd]

I think that the problem is that it's not just the idea of a 6ft tall man being able to fit. In my experience, fitting isn't enough. You need more room. It's also about the fact that it makes reaching the screen and everything else while in the back a breeze.

Speaking of breeze, it also makes it so that your HVAC is optimized. I could go on and on but, again from our experience, being able to fold all seats flat, store shoes and other gear down at the bottom at the hatch and get in and out of the front doors easily while accessing the screen and other controls would be an absolute game changer.

In fact, it's the sole reason we put a reservation on the R2 when it was announced. I've always liked the Rivian stuff (had an EARLY reservation on the initial R1T launch before all of the line priority and pricing shenanigans began) and I've continued tracking their progress and it seems like they're trajecgtory is up adn to the right. When I saw all seats folded flat in a Model Y sized competitor vehicle... I was in immediately knowing everyhting else about the vehicle would be where we want it.

It's just sad they pulled this one seemingly unimportant feature before production because to some buyers (like us) it's a lot bigger feature. I totally get how we may not be in the majority on that one but it certainly seems like a cost-effective thing to add and if you don't use it it wouldn't detract from anything.

I guess my hope is that enough people (or just me a whole buncha times ? ) speak up about their disappointment they may make a last minute reversal of their previous reversal. A kid can dream.

You might be SOL on this one, I'm afraid. They're definitely making changes like moving the NACS port to the more SuperCharger-friendly rear driver-side location, but as others have reported in other threads, Rivian's been saying that these are pretty feature locked at this point as they move into production planning. Not saying they won't change their minds, but it could also be a "down the road refresh" as well.

 

[ndmiller]

Has anyone seen any info/specs/crystal ball info on what (if anything) the R2 will not get from the R1S? For example, will heated and ventilated seats be available? Heated steering wheel? The new electrochromic glass roof?

Basically, in my ideal world, the R2 will have all the features of an R1S (minus major things like the air suspension, due to costs) but in a smaller, more afordable package.

I know this is all probably speculation until we see some Rivian-published spec sheets or a build configurator...

Cost reduction by essentially half, so Flagship items are gone (i.e. R1 Suspension) for sure and simpler execution of most if not all features. Construction, paint, interiors will be simpler with less choices.

On your list, ventilated seats may not make it (luxury), electrochromic roof same, but heated seats/Steering wheel seem like their the norm on a a midlevel vehicle. Just can't sell it for an affordable price unless costs come down significantly.

We haven't even heard recently what the profit/loss is per vehicle after the refresh on R1, so that should give us a hint.

 

[Ostrichsak]

You might be SOL on this one, I'm afraid. They're definitely making changes like moving the NACS port to the more SuperCharger-friendly rear driver-side location, but as others have reported in other threads, Rivian's been saying that these are pretty feature locked at this point as they move into production planning. Not saying they won't change their minds, but it could also be a "down the road refresh" as well.

Yep, already was planning a reservation cancellation as soon as I heard about that decision. I'm going to wait until the last minute just to make sure but I hold no real hopes of actually taking delivery of a new R2 now.

 

[Highfalutintodd]

Yep, already was planning a reservation cancellation as soon as I heard about that decision. I'm going to wait until the last minute just to make sure but I hold no real hopes of actually taking delivery of a new R2 now.

I'm sorry to hear that. I know everyone's got their dealbreakers and, unfortunately, the car can't be all things to all people (though I do wonder what the reasoning was for eliminating this feature when camping is obviously such a big target audience for Rivian).

I got lucky (so far at least) in that my deal breaker was going to be not having enough clearance in the back hatch to allow one very particular piece of cargo to be transported. Knowing that it IS big enough, however, on top of all the other cool features of the R2, is really making me anxious to have one. ;-)

 

[HaveBlue]

Speaking of camping... I just hope they bring the fold-flat front seats back to the R2 spec sheet. I'd even pay for the option. Fat chance.

Not happening. Dot isn't having any of that but there still might be enough length to sleep.

 

[Ostrichsak]

Not happening. Dot isn't having any of that but there still might be enough length to sleep.

As I said, it's not about length to sleep so I'm not sure why people keep assuming that's the only reason.

You seem pretty sure it's the DOT that wouldn't allow it. Got a link to some official information about that being the reason it's not happening?

 

[mkg3]

Basically, in my ideal world, the R2 will have all the features of an R1S (minus major things like the air suspension, due to costs) but in a smaller, more afordable package....

Ask yourself if you were Rivian, why would you do what you're asking for?

R2 would cost almost as much as R1 with similar features and lose any differentiation other than size and 3rd row. Given the price difference, very few, if any, would buy R1S.

 

[iforbes]

As I said, it's not about length to sleep so I'm not sure why people keep assuming that's the only reason.

You seem pretty sure it's the DOT that wouldn't allow it. Got a link to some official information about that being the reason it's not happening?

I found this
https://riviantrackr.com/news/rivia...lat-front-seats-heres-what-to-expect-instead/ but the confirmation is still kind of vague. However, only a 4% rise of the front seats doesn’t seem bad at all?

 

[CharonPDX]

That seems to be long gone. The designer who was at Nashville did say, however, that it was important for them to have it so that a 6ft tall person could sleep in the back with the rear seats folded down. I am emphatically not a camper so this means absolutely nothing to me, but hopefully it means something to you more adventurous folks out there. ;-)

It also means larger loads can fit in the back. Maybe it could haul a 4x8 folding table, for example.

 

[usulio]

I found this
https://riviantrackr.com/news/rivia...lat-front-seats-heres-what-to-expect-instead/ but the confirmation is still kind of vague. However, only a 4% rise of the front seats doesn’t seem bad at all?

The link in your link suggests 4% is the slope of the back seats, not the front. Either way, not much to go on.

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