Out of Spec 10% Challenge of Gen2 R1T dual Max: Massively Negative!

[NC-Rivian]

I’m not so fixed on 400v Vs 800v as I am on wishing that the max 220kw could be held longer.

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[Budman]

Very interesting video. Everybody is commenting on the charging speeds but I would love to hear more from anyone that has switched from a Gen 1 quad R1T and now has a Gen 2 Dual large... I have a Gen 2 Dual large on order and now debating id I should be getting rid of my Gen 1... Don't really care about the charging speed as I mostly charge at home. But some of the things that concern me from his video are.

-Dual motor making loud banging noise when it switches to front wheel drive
- loud noise outside from the AC compressor
- He mentions how bad the stereo is... Some say there same and others say its good. ( I have the Meridian in my gen 1

I always take these YouTube videos with a grain if salt,... but the more I research about the Gen 2 has me questioning my Gen 2 reservation and getting rid of my Gen 1.

Cheers

The motor disconnect is very subtle. In no way can it be called a bang. If he heard a bang, there
is something very very wrong.

Can’t comment on the AC. Have not been in hot weather since acquiring a month ago.

The sound system seemed very bad at first, then I discovered the equalizer screen. Adjusting that made a very large difference. I would not say it’s great now but very far from horrible. It suits my needs fine but, in all honesty, I’m not very demanding in that regard.

I’ve been happy with my Gen 2 after trading in my Gen 1. Ride is quieter and smoother and those are the most important criteria.

Plus, Rivian can now make a profit on the Gen 2’s. Some compromises had to be made to make that possible. I think it is important to not lose sight of that design criteria in all this talk of Gen 1 vs Gen 2.

 

[kenyee]

wishing that the max 220kw could be held longer.

I think half the video was about that.
Was mostly a lot of disappointment about max pack charging speeds.
Would be curious is the behavior is the same on a RAN charger but I suspect it is from the battery thermal management...

 

[runwithscissors]

Very interesting video. Everybody is commenting on the charging speeds but I would love to hear more from anyone that has switched from a Gen 1 quad R1T and now has a Gen 2 Dual large... I have a Gen 2 Dual large on order and now debating id I should be getting rid of my Gen 1... Don't really care about the charging speed as I mostly charge at home. But some of the things that concern me from his video are.

-Dual motor making loud banging noise when it switches to front wheel drive
- loud noise outside from the AC compressor
- He mentions how bad the stereo is... Some say there same and others say its good. ( I have the Meridian in my gen 1

I always take these YouTube videos with a grain if salt,... but the more I research about the Gen 2 has me questioning my Gen 2 reservation and getting rid of my Gen 1.

Cheers

Your money but the upgrade doesn't seem worth it to me for Gen2. Maybe Gen 3/4 but to take the financial hit for better lights/cameras/ADAS doesn't seem worth it.

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

Very interesting video. Everybody is commenting on the charging speeds but I would love to hear more from anyone that has switched from a Gen 1 quad R1T and now has a Gen 2 Dual large... I have a Gen 2 Dual large on order and now debating id I should be getting rid of my Gen 1... Don't really care about the charging speed as I mostly charge at home. But some of the things that concern me from his video are.

-Dual motor making loud banging noise when it switches to front wheel drive
- loud noise outside from the AC compressor
- He mentions how bad the stereo is... Some say there same and others say its good. ( I have the Meridian in my gen 1

I always take these YouTube videos with a grain if salt,... but the more I research about the Gen 2 has me questioning my Gen 2 reservation and getting rid of my Gen 1.

Cheers

I haven’t switched…yet…but I have found that many of conclusions Kyle has reached do not align with my experiences with the Gen2 vehicles that I drove. The quality is significantly improved if you ask me. I even recall Colton (Out Of Spec Detail) saying the same. But they said the doors sound tinny.

The things Kyle said about max pack initially were valid and I think a lot of folks were disappointed there wasn’t as much extra energy as they wanted and Rivian was still up charging significantly for it. Now though the options are better positioned.

maybe it’s the press units that are a problem. The vehicle I test are not press/media units. The ones I review are vehicles customers drive. I also haven’t heard anyone complaining about max pack charging being such a major problem. If it was that bad folks would be shouting from the rooftops I would think.

the only issue I came across was wind noise on one of the units. I isolated it to a pinched window seal on the passenger window and let Rivian know to fix it ASAP. Otherwise great vehicles.

Yes HVAC is loud outside the vehicle but it’s more isolated inside. The noise seems like the condenser cooling fan to me. Silent inside and out is not really reasonable. Inside is important. Outside well, pound mufflers and amped up subs drown out the other fan noises.

The YT algorithm is a strange thing. I can’t stand how they reward clickbait and sky is falling thumbnails/titles…but this is where we are.

YouTube rewards negativity (not saying Kyle is negative) and I personally can’t stand it. Be honest and try to find the positive …those are the things I try to do in my content. Otherwise what are you? I will not sell my soul for views.

rant over ?

 

[doit82]

I haven’t switched…yet…but I have found that many of things conclusions Kyle has reached do not align with my experiences with the Gen2 vehicles that I drove. The quality is significantly improved if you ask me. I even recall Colton (Out Of Spec Detail) saying the same. But they said the doors sound tinny.

maybe it’s the press units that are a problem. The vehicle I test are not press/media units. The ones I review are vehicles customers drive.

the only issue I came across was wind noise on one of the units. I isolated it to a pinched window seal on the passenger window and let Rivian know to fix it ASAP. Otherwise great vehicles.

Yes HVAC is loud outside the vehicle but it’s more isolated inside. The noise seems like the condenser cooling fan to me. Silent inside and out is not really reasonable. Inside is important. Outside well, pound mufflers and amped up subs drown out the other fan noises.

The YT algorithm is a strange thing. I can’t stand how they reward clickbait and sky is falling thumbnails/titles…but this is where we are.

YouTube rewards negativity (not saying Kyle is negative) and I personally can’t stand it. Be honest and try to find the positive …those are the things I try to do in my content. Otherwise what are you? I will not sell my soul for views.

rant over ?

"enragement = engagement"

 

[PaythePiper]

Kyle is a knowledgeable guy. He is also a Rivian owner. I don’t agree with a lot of the things he says but we are all free to have our own opinions.

The video did sort of go off the rails as he took the opportunity to complain about various different things on the vehicle. I didn’t watch the whole thing…just skipped around to pertinent parts.

In the end I think we all know that Rivian is not the fastest charging EV around. For that it would need to support 800v.

Lastly, Kyle has been critical of the max pack since its release. While I don’t agree with a lot of what he said at least he is sharing his opinion openly and honestly.

How can you not agree? Show me something he’s wrong on

 

[Electrified Outdoors]

How can you not agree? Show me something he’s wrong on

I posted that my experience with two different Gen 2 vehicles was totally different from Kyle. Mainly as it pertains to his comments on Rivian quality. I didn’t do charging tests so I can’t argue that other than to say I haven’t heard folks complaining…and trust me I know they would….that the max pack charges like ****. I don’t disagree with everything…the HVAC is loud outside the vehicle for sure.

I love Rivian…and I will admit where there are faults…right now mainly with service wait times.

The Rivian tows just fine…have towed with both my T and my S. No thermal issues at all…when it’s really hot outside they work overtime to cool battery. I don’t see where the claims of thermal issues come from. The list goes on and it’s based on y experience with the vehicles. Not saying he is wrong just saying that hasn’t been my experience and I feel like some of it is unfair towards Rivian.

 

[zefram47]

In the end I think we all know that Rivian is not the fastest charging EV around. For that it would need to support 800v.

The charging issues have literally nothing to do with 400V vs 800V architecture. Rivian didn't size the cooling system properly and/or design the coolant routing in the pack well and the temperatures during charging get too high and derate long before they should. Kyle's gripe has been that the 53G cells in the Max pack seem to either get hotter more quickly or Rivian opted to neuter the charging curve even more vs the original Large pack with the 50G cells. It's supposedly not even an issue with the average temperature of the pack, it's the hottest region of the pack and the delta to the coolest region. Part of the reason the LFP/Standard pack charges better overall is because they were forced to redesign the pack because of the form factor of the LFP cells and they were able to improve the thermals. Sure, 800V would mean lower current so there should be less heat overall, but there are still major issues with the overall pack design by double-stacking the cells and only cooling between the two in the stack. It creates a big temperature gradient in the pack.

That all said, I have not personally experienced the issues that Kyle has with his truck. I towed a car 500 miles (1000 mi roundtrip) at the end of August / beginning of September, so it was still hot out, and never had a charging session noticeably derate due to thermal performance any more than the truck would have unladen. The charging curve still sucks, but my truck seems to handle thermal derate better than Kyle's truck...and mine is from Feb 2023 where his truck is from early/mid-2022.

 

[PaythePiper]

I posted that my experience with two different Gen 2 vehicles was totally different from Kyle. Mainly as it pertains to his comments on Rivian quality. I didn’t do charging tests so I can’t argue that other than to say I haven’t heard folks complaining…and trust me I know they would….that the max pack charges like ****. I don’t disagree with everything…the HVAC is loud outside the vehicle for sure.

I love Rivian…and I will admit where there are faults…right now mainly with service wait times.

The Rivian tows just fine…have towed with both my T and my S. No thermal issues at all…when it’s really hot outside they work overtime to cool battery. I don’t see where the claims of thermal issues come from. The list goes on and it’s based on y experience with the vehicles. Not saying he is wrong just saying that hasn’t been my experience and I feel like some of it is unfair towards Rivian.

All fair! I have crappy charging on my max as well. Haven’t seen above 100 kw.

 

[SeaGeo]

All fair! I have crappy charging on my max as well. Haven’t seen above 100 kw.

That's not normal. Get it serviced and/or find different chargers. I've done quite a lot of DCFC on my Gen2 max pack and my gen1 large pack, and don't have trouble achieving about 200kw on either. The cells in the max pack seem to not charge as well, which makes sense given the chemistry change, but the Gen2 consistently hits within a minute or two of the the 10-80% rating that Rivian quotes.

 

[MidnightM00N]

I regularly see 200-220kw on my Gen 2 Max. On RAN, EA, and Tesla chargers. It doesn’t hold that peak super long, but it holds >150kw well. You want bad, come try my 2015 Model S (especially before the HV battery got replaced). Everything’s relative. I’ve been plenty impressed by Rivian charging curve. Keep in mind it could get better (…or worse…)with updates and relaxed limitations if batteries are holding up well (or not) from a degradation standpoint.

 

[PaythePiper]

That's not normal. Get it serviced and/or find different chargers. I've done quite a lot of DCFC on my Gen2 max pack and my gen1 large pack, and don't have trouble achieving about 200kw on either. The cells in the max pack seem to not charge as well, which makes sense given the chemistry change, but the Gen2 consistently hits within a minute or two of the the 10-80% rating that Rivian quotes.

In the Rivians defense, I’ve only fast charged in cold temps and electrify America. So who knows.

 

[SeaGeo]

In the Rivians defense, I’ve only fast charged in cold temps and electrify America. So who knows.

lol, well that will do it if the battery is also cold.

 

[PaythePiper]

lol, well that will do it if the battery is also cold.

But even in my garage on a level 2 charger, it takes forever. Then again, I’m so spoiled by my Model Y and it’s fantastic charging…. Smaller battery though? Who knows

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