Out of Spec 10% Challenge of Gen2 R1T dual Max: Massively Negative!

[SeaGeo]

Having a Gen2 dual max, I genuinely don't share any of the complaints. Audio is fine (and I've owned a ton of high end non-auto equipment), heat pump isn't noisy in mine, and the real world range is so beastly that I have yet to even take mine to a public fast charger.

The once a year that I do my >500 mile trip that required multiple stops in my last EV will now be one stop. Even if it takes 40 or even 50min vs a theoretical 35, 30 - I just don't think it's the end of the world.

TBH these hours and hours of research and hour long videos is over-thinking it. I think even the max vs large battery "disappointments" found by comparing kwh are blown out of proportion. There's other factors such as the motor efficiency. The EPA mixed use results say it all, and to me, more battery is more battery.

It was money well spent and it's a banger vehicle. I strongly recommend the gen 2 dual max.

This is fairly consistent with my experience as well.

I'll say that the audio system is very inconsistent pre 2024.43 and has had a tendency to completely lose it's shit and not know what to do. So far those issues have been fixed in 2024.43, but I haven't had much seat in butt time to see if they pop-up again.

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[cwang089]

anyone that says the audio is fine on a gen 2 is going to get me to discredit the rest of their opinion. I've had like 13 cars...i can't remember a car that had a worse sounding system. Especially considering the amount of power and speakers it has. I'm hoping the next update will improve it significantly.

I have to imagine it is processing, as sometimes there are songs where the system sounds much better.

But as soon as you get into ANY Tesla, you think damn...this system is way better.

 

[ElGuano]

To be blunt, the Taycan finished a nearly 3000 mile road trip about 2 hours behind an ICE they brought along which took 46 hours. Two hours over that period is basically nothing. A Rivian on the same route would take *significantly* longer.

If I ever take a 3000mi EV road trip as fast as humanly possible, then...sure, I'll take the Taycan over the R1. But for my own family long hauls, the "15min charge test" is just kind of a red herring. Not to cast aspersions on the test or OOS, I've just not found it particularly relevant/important in nearly a decade of owning EVs.

 

[voxel]

anyone that says the audio is fine on a gen 2 is going to get me to discredit the rest of their opinion. I've had like 13 cars...i can't remember a car that had a worse sounding system. Especially considering the amount of power and speakers it has. I'm hoping the next update will improve it significantly.

I have to imagine it is processing, as sometimes there are songs where the system sounds much better.

But as soon as you get into ANY Tesla, you think damn...this system is way better.

The problem is Tesla’s audio is better the 90% of the cars on the market. Just drive base Toyota or VW for mainstream (crap) audio that millions of people own and seem to be happy with even though those systems make my ears bleed.

 

[PaythePiper]

correct me if I am wrogn, but isn't the Rivian Gen 1 and Gen 2 the worst charging vehicle you can buy that costs more than $50k?

That is pretty bad.

For most people its not a big deal as most of the charging is done at home. I only do 2 roadtrips a year where it matters. But I have a 5 hour trip coming up next month and I am debating whether to take the Tesla Y or the Rivian. My passengers will appreciate the comfort of the Rivian..but I much prefer ADAS in the Tesla as well as the ease of charging.

That was always my argument. I bought a 100k vehicle and don’t want to road trip it? Huh?

 

[CANCERDOC]

Kyle does very in depth reviews and clearly he is very knowledgable about all EV's.

1) Why didn't he do a reset to get the adaptive cruise working again?
2) He knows Rivian didn't change the cooling plate for the batteries - the same limitation applies for Gen 1 as for Gen 2.
3) His criticism stems from the roadtrip-ability of the vehicle. Not everyone does 2000 mile roadtrips requiring minimal time at charging stops. I'd argue for the average shorter roadtrip, charging times are fine. You actually spend much more time waiting for a charger, especially in EV popular states like California where the public fast chargers seems always packed (esp Tesla superchargers).
4) Just an observation but when he does a review solo, its more pleasant to watch because he is just talking to himself (and he loves hearing himself talk). When he is with a passenger, he's so condescending, especially to his partner Alyssa. Its difficult to listen to.

 

[greyboundary]

anyone that says the audio is fine on a gen 2 is going to get me to discredit the rest of their opinion. I've had like 13 cars...i can't remember a car that had a worse sounding system. Especially considering the amount of power and speakers it has. I'm hoping the next update will improve it significantly.

I have to imagine it is processing, as sometimes there are songs where the system sounds much better.

But as soon as you get into ANY Tesla, you think damn...this system is way better.

People’s remarks on the audio seem so completely mixed. Does “good” mean “bass” or something?

One of the most stars * sheer volume of positive reviews headphones in the audio world are basically beats and skull candy. I have or had headphones and loudspeakers from KEF, B&W, Audeze, Sennheiser (including the HD800S) and others.

While I’m kind of over audiophile gear, I have a very high baseline calibration, and the R1T just doesn’t bother me that much. I can’t tell if it’s just preference or not caring anymore as long as it’s not terrible, but I’m finding I’m able to enjoy my music without thinking about the equipment (which is like the total antithesis to audiophilism).

 

[greyboundary]

Kyle does very in depth reviews and clearly he is very knowledgable about all EV's.

1) Why didn't he …

Unfortunately the entire internet is ruined and the ultimate goal is viewership hours. Quick, to the point and non-controversial takes don’t sell.

 

[cwang089]

People’s remarks on the audio seem so completely mixed. Does “good” mean “bass” or something?

One of the most stars * sheer volume of positive reviews headphones in the audio world are basically beats and skull candy. I have or had headphones and loudspeakers from KEF, B&W, Audeze, Sennheiser (including the HD800S) and others.

While I’m kind of over audiophile gear, I have a very high baseline calibration, and the R1T just doesn’t bother me that much. I can’t tell if it’s just preference or not caring anymore as long as it’s not terrible, but I’m finding I’m able to enjoy my music without thinking about the equipment (which is like the total antithesis to audiophilism).

The system is best described as being very muddy and inconsistent and with very little separation.

The sound staging seems all messed up like the sound is coming out of my feet sometimes. I've reset the system multiple times.

I also had the Gen 1 Evolution which was OK. The Gen 2 system is much worse. It also lacks bass...and when it has any bass it vibrates the interior panels.

Adjusting the EQ does very little. Which is strange like the system can't discern the different frequencies.

Rivian also makes it difficult to upgrade the system, so its not even easy just to go aftermarket. So here I am...just waiting for OTA updates constantly hoping something changes.

 

[Noplacelikeloam]

Makes me smile knowing my G1 Large Quad Meridian is becoming the unicorn of Rivians.

 

[Ziggy]

InsideEVs picked just posted an aricle on Kyle's video:
https://insideevs.com/news/742161/rivian-r1t-road-trip-charging-test/

 

[DB88]

I'm trading my 22 Gen 1 Quad for a 25 get 2 dual large in Rivian blue tomorrow! Kyle complained about gen 1 charging too but I never noticed issues with mine. My gen 1 gets crazy loud when pre-conditioning, but normal A/C use was fine. I don't know if I'll be able to make a good compression for a while though as we are supposed to be getting cold weather here for a while.

Thank you for replying. I'm supposed to be doing the same trade in as you. I would love to know your thoughts when you get the new Gen 2. Cheers

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Probably why it just came down that Rivian was stealing battery secrets from Tesla in that lawsuit LOL

Did you get a copy of the confidential settlement terms? All that’s been posted about it is it has been settled, we have no idea if Rivian was guilty of anything.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

Everyone could use a faster charging vehicle so saying it could be faster is sort of the no shit statement of the year. That will be true of all EVs until we get solid state batteries that charge in the same time as an ICE refuels. I say that as I’m writing this sitting at a Tesla supercharger in the middle of a thousand mile leg of my road trip.

Every car is a trade off, sure the Taycan is faster at charging but I couldn’t take it on this road trip as there isn’t enough room for the 3 people plus gear I have right now. For me I find the Rivian to have a good balance of charging speed, range and comfort to make an excellent road trip vehicle.

I don’t like being cramped in my car on road trips so I have to compromise a bit on charging speed. I’m looking forward to my max pack R1S that I’m on the way to pickup tomorrow afternoon. That might mean over this same distance of trip I skip one charging stop. That makes it worth it for me personally.

With my Gen 1 I can drive long enough to be sick of driving in a day, and that’s good enough even with the current system. Max pack will be a little better.

 

[Ziggy]

I transitioned from a 2019 M3P to a Gen1 R1s one year ago. I would not have done it were is not for the availability of using the Tesla network. I did estimate that my stops while road tripping would increase from 15-25 min to 25-40 min however. Given the capabilities of the Rivian over the Model 3 (more room for family, off-road capable, towing, etc.), I figured it was worth it....but I can report the rest of the family isn't as forgiving of longer stops as I am.

Reliability is more important than speed however, and I have also experienced sessions charging on a Tesla supercharger where the peak speed would rapidly drop down to 180ish KW from 215KW at low SOC. That is infinitely better however than 50KW or worse at EA stations--just one 2 hr stop at a run-down Walmart with family was nearly enough to have the Rivian banned from any further roadtrips. {Note that the Tacan that won the I90 purge only 2 hrs behind the ICE charged on non Teslas superchargers, including many EA stations]

For the general public (not us on this forum or especially Kyle!), these videos just hammer the message that EVs are not really ready for the masses. The pain I hear in Kyle's voice is someone who loves his Rivian and really was hoping to see Gen2 (especially the max pack) address both the reliability and charging speed issues (as well as a host of others).

Bottom line: I love my r1s and will not be upgrading until I can get near-Taycan levels of charging performance (200+ miles of added range in 20 min or less, 3x improvement). RJ's recent comments make it clear however Rivian has to focus on the R2/3 and increasing sales/profitability over the costs of making the R1S,T charge better.

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