20" Inch 20" Michelin Defender LTX M/S2

[DayTripping]

Don’t forget, traction is directly related to breaking. One accident can obliterate thousands of kilowatt hours of savings to gain a few extra miles in range.

if I were hyper focused on efficiency, I wouldn’t be driving a Rivian in the first place. I get that some people are though.

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[Matt D.]

Don’t forget, traction is directly related to breaking. One accident can obliterate thousands of kilowatt hours of savings to gain a few extra miles in range.

if I were hyper focused on efficiency, I wouldn’t be driving a Rivian in the first place. I get that some people are though.

Appreciate the concern ?. Though I don’t think that the Michelins are going to be too dangerous.

 

[LL75]

Let’s pretend that I don’t care about traction and only efficiency. Which one has the edge?

The goodyear actually is not all season tires. It is AT according to Goodyear website. So, efficiency wise, the defender will be better. If you only care about efficiency, take a look at General grabber HTS60 tires or Pirelli AS+3.

 

[jeeden]

The Goodyear's sure look cool, but the efficiency is some concern. More of a concern for me is the longevity/noise/ride which is why I'm going with the Michelin unless someone feels the Goodyear are equal in those respects

 

[B Digs]

No question the Michelin will be what you are looking for…

@ksurfier, I will question that statement.

I do not know the efficiency of the Michelin tire, but as an engineer at Goodyear that helped develop the Wrangler Territory AT, I can confirm designing an efficient tire was a top priority.

The Goodyear tire may not be the most efficient option, but it does have very good efficiency considering it's rugged looks, ride, handling, snow, wet and noise performance.

@LL75, Rivian classifies the Goodyear tire as an "All Season" option and the Goodyear does perform well in all seasons. In reality, it is tough to put a label on this tire due to it's versatility.

@jeeden, here are a couple good threads on the Goodyear tire if you would like more info...
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...y-at-275-60-20-factory-at-tires-saving.37522/

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...-tire-option-available-when.28764/post-558566

 

[DayTripping]

The Goodyear's sure look cool, but the efficiency is some concern. More of a concern for me is the longevity/noise/ride which is why I'm going with the Michelin unless someone feels the Goodyear are equal in those respects

According to Rivian, the Goodyear's efficiency takes a slight hit versus their most efficient factory tire.

I now have spoken to 2 people that have them on Gen 2 that absolutely love them. They went through the torrential rains, with significant flooding in our area and were quite happy with them from all areas, efficiency, noise, wet/dry traction, etc. One of them was a previous Model Y owner and those vehicles are pretty quiet. He had no noise complaints.

No tire can do it all. So you need to prioritize what matters the most. If I want to hypermile for efficiency, I'll be driving my Model 3. I realize I am fortunate to have a few EV options to drive. Obviously I want good range even though I bought one of the least efficient EVs currently on the market, I put traction ahead of efficiency. These don't seem to punish your efficiency but have more of the other things that are more important to me.

It reminds me a bit of the Michelin Platinum defender without being such a heavy tire with all the extra plies. While looks aren't the most important thing to me, after seeing them on a Rivian in person, I am a fan. For curb appeal vs an very cool looking aggressive offroad tire, I'll give them an 8. For the Michelins, I'll give them a 4 (about the same as I'd rate the factory 21's). Those are my subjective ratings.

 

[Matt D.]

@ksurfier, I will question that statement.

I do not know the efficiency of the Michelin tire, but as an engineer at Goodyear that helped develop the Wrangler Territory AT, I can confirm designing an efficient tire was a top priority.

The Goodyear tire may not be the most efficient option, but it does have very good efficiency considering it's rugged looks, ride, handling, snow, wet and noise performance.

@LL75, Rivian classifies the Goodyear tire as an "All Season" option and the Goodyear does perform well in all seasons. In reality, it is tough to put a label on this tire due to it's versatility.

@jeeden, here are a couple good threads on the Goodyear tire if you would like more info...
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...y-at-275-60-20-factory-at-tires-saving.37522/

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/new-goodyear-20”-tire-option-available-when.28764/post-558566

Thank you for your insights. Not trying to hypermile but really need something more efficient than the OEM 20” Pirellis (quieter would be a huge bonus). Thoughts on the Goodyears for a gen 1 QM R1S?

 

[jeeden]

Thank you for your insights. Not trying to hypermile but really need something more efficient than the OEM 20” Pirellis (quieter would be a huge bonus). Thoughts on the Goodyears for a gen 1 QM R1S?

The goodyear look so cool.and they seem like a performance competitor to the Michelin but I'm afraid of my family after they have endured the noise of the pirelli's. I have 275/65/20s on mine too so imm probably go with the Michelins.. maybe I can get these on my r2!

 

[B Digs]

Hi @Matt D. and @jeeden, in looking at Rivian's online configurator estimates, the 20" AT option (275/65R20) is approximately 12% less efficient than the 22" options. The Goodyear tire shows ~4% less efficient than the 22" options which would calculate to 8% more efficient than the 20" AT option.

The noise performance was factored in to the Goodyear design and I have been happy with the tire noise levels on my R1T.

 

[ksurfier]

@ksurfier, I will question that statement.

I do not know the efficiency of the Michelin tire, but as an engineer at Goodyear that helped develop the Wrangler Territory AT, I can confirm designing an efficient tire was a top priority.

The Goodyear tire may not be the most efficient option, but it does have very good efficiency considering it's rugged looks, ride, handling, snow, wet and noise performance.

@LL75, Rivian classifies the Goodyear tire as an "All Season" option and the Goodyear does perform well in all seasons. In reality, it is tough to put a label on this tire due to it's versatility.

@jeeden, here are a couple good threads on the Goodyear tire if you would like more info...
https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/...y-at-275-60-20-factory-at-tires-saving.37522/

https://www.rivianforums.com/forum/threads/new-goodyear-20”-tire-option-available-when.28764/post-558566

The Michelin is at least 5% more efficient than the Goodyear, so Michelin is ~10% more efficient than the OEM Pirelli. Efficiency aside, the Michelin has a 70k warranty and the Goodyear does not have a warranty…like I said before, it’s not a fair comparison…

 

[DayTripping]

I really doubt any tire will go 70,000 miles on a Rivian. There might be some person out there who can get it. But typically it will be alignment or something that takes a tire out sooner, which is not covered under any of the tire warranties. The reason the Goodyear doesn’t have a warranty anyway is because it’s an OEM tire.

If I get 30,000 good miles out of any tires on my Rivian, I will be a happy camper. At the end of the day, something had to be given up to get those 70K miles. You always have to compromise something to get something else. It really comes back to matching your priorities with the correct tire. A tire with an extremely high durometer rating, would probably last forever and be pretty efficient, but I wouldn’t want to be driving it aggressively or in the rain.

 

[IHScout]

I really doubt any tire will go 70,000 miles on a Rivian. There might be some person out there who can get it. But typically it will be alignment or something that takes a tire out sooner, which is not covered under any of the tire warranties. The reason the Goodyear doesn’t have a warranty anyway is because it’s an OEM tire.

If I get 30,000 good miles out of any tires on my Rivian, I will be a happy camper. At the end of the day, something had to be given up to get those 70K miles. You always have to compromise something to get something else. It really comes back to matching your priorities with the correct tire. A tire with an extremely high durometer rating, would probably last forever and be pretty efficient, but I wouldn’t want to be driving it aggressively or in the rain.

We have the Michelin 275/60/20 with almost 37k miles (3% adjusted) I don't think we will make it to 70k but we will definitely make it to 55k. I am very satisfied with the tire. We will probably go back to the 275/65/20 when these wear out because I think I taller tire looks nicer, but that is my preference.

 

[lslick23]

The Goodyears are very quiet and they’ve been a tad more efficient than the Pirelli 20. I’m just under a 1,000 miles And Goodyear at 2.38, pirelli 2.37 at 22k. I expect the Goodyears to improve even more in efficiency, but I do have some towing trips coming up which will skew it. Oh well the tires are awesome so no regrets.

 

[jeeden]

I was able to order the Michelins at my local Costco yesterday with the new January Michelin rebate. They should be in next week.

They also volunteered that they just got the pucks in for the lift 3 weeks ago and are happy they don't need to ask the owners to bring their own pucks anymore.

Is about $1300 for all four after tax, disposal and includes their road hazard warranty of course.

 

[Matt D.]

Had to go with the Michelin 275/65/20 over the Goodyears. No one around here will put a tire on that’s smaller than the door sticker. They go on Saturday. I have a 2300 mile (round trip) in 2 months, fingers crossed on the efficiency.

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