Quad Motor Rivian R1 with NACS Gen 2 Teaser (MKBHD)

[captainjp]

You don't agree with facts? Non-Tesla NACS does absolutely 100% not work on v2 or v1 superchargers.

I agree with that, I disagree that it’s a significant number of stations.
A suggestion: drive to a supercharger that is compatible, rather than bitch and complain about it.

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[runwithscissors]

Just a couple of random thoughts.

I’m curious how many people think having a NACS port opens up all Superchargers to these vehicles. Not curious enough to create a poll but still curious.

Those thinking now you need 2 adapters if you have the NACS port as if that is not true currently. With the current port J1772/CCS1 you need 2 adapters between DCFC and L2. Even Tesla (assuming you have a Tesla that supports the CCS protocol) you need 2 adapters, it is just a bit more confusing as the in and out ports look the same with a NACS plug between L2 and L3 adapters they just behave differently.

My personal opinion, adding native NACS ports before CCS chargers add the native NACS cables does more to add confusion than it does to minimize it.

I like using a clean adapter after seeing so many damaged/dirty/rusted charging pins, especially L2 charging at destinations/hotels. I'm not sure how much that matters but some are sketchy and don't want to cause issues with the Rivian by directly plugging it in.

My complaint is I can't do Tesla plug and charge to get the Membership discount and have to use the app each time.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I agree with that, I disagree that it’s a significant number of stations.
A suggestion: drive to a supercharger that is compatible, rather than bitch and complain about it.

~12,000 stations isn't significant?

 

[Blueassassin]

I personally don't care what plug is on the side as long as we all go with a standardized plug and everything changes to it. Even this now begs the question is rivian going to change their charging stations then? The plug location is still in the wrong spot for Tesla chargers right?

 

[captainjp]

~12,000 stations isn't significant?

20k compatible stalls for non-tesla EV’s? Don’t see that as being a problem. Counterpoint? There are a significant number of compatible superchargers available. Most of the large charging networks (EA, RAN, ChargePoint, to name a few) are integrating native NACS.

Again, I disagree. Your argument is extremely short-sighted. NACS will be the most-used standard. You’re not gonna convince me otherwise, so don’t bother.

 

[narmstrong79]

Wait until you have to pay for staggard tires. Looking at you Tesla Arachnids....

I mean, if you can afford ~$120K car is a few hundred extra in tires really hurting you ?

There is zero need for the quad motor to exist, except for the fact that it is higher GM($) for Rivian and a couple people who need to flex having <1000hp to fill a void in their ego will be happy . or if the quad is going to exist the tri-motor shouldn't.

 

[Viking80]

My personal opinion, adding native NACS ports before CCS chargers add the native NACS cables does more to add confusion than it does to minimize it.

Chicken or the egg. The transition to J3400 (NACS) has to start some where. The transition will never be perfect, but I for one am glad that everything is moving towards one plug type.

NACS maybe harder for the OEMs to integrate, but is far superior for the end user IMO.

 

[2kwik4u]

Personally I just don't care about the charge port. I know some people do but charging at home 90% of the time and having plenty of non-Tesla charging options in the Northeast I just don't care.

110% agree with this. The connector has such a small impact on any level of ownership. It has ZERO impact on vehicle purchase or charging behavior with the Rivian. I carry a NACS to CCS adapter already, and the operational and logistical overhead to do that is near zero.

I just don't get the hype.

 

[Eric9610]

Rivian has been working on 800v architecture for some time, at least 3 years now. I knew an engineer that worked at Rivian, and he was on the team working on 800v. We won't see 800v until gen 2 of the R2 as they need to capitalize all the current technology.

 

[2kwik4u]

NACS maybe harder for the OEMs to integrate, but is far superior for the end user IMO.

How is NACS " far superior" as compared to CCS?

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I mean, if you can afford ~$120K car is a few hundred extra in tires really hurting you ?

There is zero need for the quad motor to exist, except for the fact that it is higher GM($) for Rivian and a couple people who need to flex having <1000hp to fill a void in their ego will be happy . or if the quad is going to exist the tri-motor shouldn't.

Why does there always have to be someone who attributes negativity to the motivation of someone just because they spent money? I'm not going to buy a quad, but that doesn't mean those who do have "a void in their ego". Firstly, costs are relative, and 120K means more to some people than others. Second, people are allowed to like things you don't.

That's a dick attitude to take, and just because someone spends money on something you don't see the value in it doesn't make them lacking in some way. This post reeks of sour grapes. Grow up.

 

[mpshizzle]

How is NACS " far superior" as compared to CCS?

It's just a much more elegant design. The smaller port enables a few things

• it can be hidden it more inconspicuous places on vehicle designs
• it's easier to insert (even if it's on an AWFUL heavy EA cable, the smaller port sill makes for easier insertion)
• the stupid cover flap for DC charging pins is gone
• electronic latch built in for both AC and DC charging

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

110% agree with this. The connector has such a small impact on any level of ownership. It has ZERO impact on vehicle purchase or charging behavior with the Rivian. I carry a NACS to CCS adapter already, and the operational and logistical overhead to do that is near zero.

I just don't get the hype.

Bound to get some hot and bothered… but I think it’s has more to do with familiarity bias than actual rationale. If that wasn’t the case, they would have seen the light when presented with facts. Yet the cling to a non sentient plug and receptacle continues.

 

[Dark-Fx]

110% agree with this. The connector has such a small impact on any level of ownership. It has ZERO impact on vehicle purchase or charging behavior with the Rivian. I carry a NACS to CCS adapter already, and the operational and logistical overhead to do that is near zero.

I just don't get the hype.

Well the real issue is most people can't fit a CCS connector up their bums.

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