Test Drove Gen 2 Quad Yesterday...

[DayTripping]

I think the thing that totally ruled out the quad for me was the MKBHD vid where he lined his G1 quad against the G2 quad, at the track, and the G1 quad holeshotted it pretty badly until the G2 walked it down.

They forgot to put the G2 in launch mode. The time the G2 (non-launch mode) ran was about the same as the same as the G1 in sport. Well at least what mine ran using a Dragy (not at a track and not with a full charger or warm day). For reference, the Trimax I last tested was about the same time as my truck when it wasn't in launch mode.

So for the most part, you are only getting the extra performance when in launch mode. Yes, it will be faster above 60 (when not in launch mode) or so but again it is also limited to 110. So to really tap into the power, you have to use launch mode or you're not getting much benefit from having that extra power. So it slows down by close to a half second (or more) to 60 when you don't use launch mode.

Contrast that with my Plaid which is hella fast whether you use the equivalent of launch mode or not. On the street is like 2.2 vs 2.3. compared to about 2.5 vs 3.0 for the G2 quad. Now it also makes sense why we'll never see launch mode on G1 quads.

I'd be buying the G2 for the extra performance which you can only exercise if you put it in launch mode. Sorry Rivian, hard pass for me if the performance is always locked away behind a SW wall that I have to jump through hoops every time to use. I don't care about the Ascend interior or the photochromic roof, etc.

These things will have incentive shoveled at them inside of 2 months. At the right price, I'd consider one because I would like to have the RAD tuner.

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[Honey]

I think the thing that totally ruled out the quad for me was the MKBHD vid where he lined his G1 quad against the G2 quad, at the track, and the G1 quad holeshotted it pretty badly until the G2 walked it down.

They forgot to put the G2 in launch mode. The time the G2 (non-launch mode) ran was about the same as the same as the G1 in sport. Well at least what mine ran using a Dragy (not at a track and not with a full charger or warm day). For reference, the Trimax I last tested was about the same time as my truck when it wasn't in launch mode.

So for the most part, you are only getting the extra performance when in launch mode. Yes, it will be faster above 60 (when not in launch mode) or so but again it is also limited to 110. So to really tap into the power, you have to use launch mode or you're not getting much benefit from having that extra power. So it slows down by close to a half second (or more) to 60 when you don't use launch mode.

Contrast that with my Plaid which is hella fast whether you use the equivalent of launch mode or not. On the street is like 2.2 vs 2.3. compared to about 2.5 vs 3.0 for the G2 quad. Now it also makes sense why we'll never see launch mode on G1 quads.

I'd be buying the G2 for the extra performance which you can only exercise if you put it in launch mode. Sorry Rivian, hard pass for me if the performance is always locked away behind a SW wall that I have to jump through hoops every time to use. I don't care about the Ascend interior or the photochromic roof, etc.

These things will have incentive shoveled at them inside of 2 months. At the right price, I'd consider one because I would like to have the RAD tuner.

Yea with that said, I'm gonna wait.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I think the thing that totally ruled out the quad for me was the MKBHD vid where he lined his G1 quad against the G2 quad, at the track, and the G1 quad holeshotted it pretty badly until the G2 walked it down.

They forgot to put the G2 in launch mode. The time the G2 (non-launch mode) ran was about the same as the same as the G1 in sport. Well at least what mine ran using a Dragy (not at a track and not with a full charger or warm day). For reference, the Trimax I last tested was about the same time as my truck when it wasn't in launch mode.

So for the most part, you are only getting the extra performance when in launch mode. Yes, it will be faster above 60 (when not in launch mode) or so but again it is also limited to 110. So to really tap into the power, you have to use launch mode or you're not getting much benefit from having that extra power. So it slows down by close to a half second (or more) to 60 when you don't use launch mode.

Contrast that with my Plaid which is hella fast whether you use the equivalent of launch mode or not. On the street is like 2.2 vs 2.3. compared to about 2.5 vs 3.0 for the G2 quad. Now it also makes sense why we'll never see launch mode on G1 quads.

I'd be buying the G2 for the extra performance which you can only exercise if you put it in launch mode. Sorry Rivian, hard pass for me if the performance is always locked away behind a SW wall that I have to jump through hoops every time to use. I don't care about the Ascend interior or the photochromic roof, etc.

These things will have incentive shoveled at them inside of 2 months. At the right price, I'd consider one because I would like to have the RAD tuner.

Yeah, agreed. Saw the video yesterday and thought the same thing. And Rivian HAS to know that. So taking a step back, I'm just left to think of "why?" Even with 2,000 HP, it sounds like the fastest a car this heavy and boxy can go is 2.6s to 60, which is impressive, but no one is going to fork over tens of thousands of dollars more when very similar options are available for the same brand, new (tri) and used (gen 1 quad). I instead wish effort were put on either making the new quad more distinctive (more aggressive look, faster charging speeds, new interior, massaging seats, bigger battery, etc) rather than just speed. It was clearly meant to try and topple the cyberbeast. Which I guess is great from a marketing standpoint...but not going to be so much from a sales side.

Now, in a few years when these are used for $80k...haha now that's another story.

 

[DayTripping]

Yeah, agreed. Saw the video yesterday and thought the same thing. And Rivian HAS to know that. So taking a step back, I'm just left to think of "why?" Even with 2,000 HP, it sounds like the fastest a car this heavy and boxy can go is 2.6s to 60, which is impressive, but no one is going to fork over tens of thousands of dollars more when very similar options are available for the same brand, new (tri) and used (gen 1 quad). I instead wish effort were put on either making the new quad more distinctive (more aggressive look, faster charging speeds, new interior, massaging seats, bigger battery, etc) rather than just speed. It was clearly meant to try and topple the cyberbeast. Which I guess is great from a marketing standpoint...but not going to be so much from a sales side.

Now, in a few years when these are used for $80k...haha now that's another story.

I would upgrade if the delta was small enough. For me it isn't worth 60k more than what my Gen 1 quad is worth. Around 40k, I might be onboard. At 30k, absolutely. But reading watching some of the vids and seeing how the new Gravity performed, it really put it back on my radar again. It was a beast after its somewhat slow launch but was just getting up in Plaid territory with its almost 140 mph trap speed. That is a daily driver I could get behind and not miss my Plaid an have more versatility than it.

Pondering this for a while longer, I'll just set back and wait for the incentives to come my way on the quad. With the tax cut expiring, my quad will likely go up in value, or at least hold its value so the price delta should shrink.

 

[technerd]

I would upgrade if the delta was small enough. For me it isn't worth 60k more than what my Gen 1 quad is worth. Around 40k, I might be onboard. At 30k, absolutely. But reading watching some of the vids and seeing how the new Gravity performed, it really put it back on my radar again.

I agree, the delta is too high. But also the Gravity is appealing, I really like everything about it except for the fact it looks like a minivan.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I would upgrade if the delta was small enough. For me it isn't worth 60k more than what my Gen 1 quad is worth. Around 40k, I might be onboard. At 30k, absolutely. But reading watching some of the vids and seeing how the new Gravity performed, it really put it back on my radar again. It was a beast after its somewhat slow launch but was just getting up in Plaid territory with its almost 140 mph trap speed. That is a daily driver I could get behind and not miss my Plaid an have more versatility than it.

Pondering this for a while longer, I'll just set back and wait for the incentives to come my way on the quad. With the tax cut expiring, my quad will likely go up in value, or at least hold its value so the price delta should shrink.

If it were $90k max for dual, $100k for tri and $110k for quad...ok, now that's a conversation. But at $126k for the LE? I'm sure the actual quad will be closer to $116k but then begs the question...why not get a fully loaded tri for that money with similar performance?

My wife loves the Gravity and is fully onboard if I wanted to make the switch after we test drove it. The massaging chairs, third row space and more composed ride were a huge boost for me, but the ride height, even at the highest, still feels too low compared to the Rivian. Also the color choices for the Gravity are a bit lacking...olive green, white, black and three different flavors of gray. I also am neutral on the looks, neither love or hate it. I'm finding myself trying to convince myself to make the switch rather than wanting to, but like you said, maybe with more incentives coming these high prices will look more reasonable down the line. With both companies really trying to push sales, doesn't seem like a stretch and being patient will likely payoff for most of us.

 

[Great Gatsby]

I agree, the delta is too high. But also the Gravity is appealing, I really like everything about it except for the fact it looks like a minivan.

My main issues is the back. I feel like they almost nailed it as far as looks and then just threw their hands up on the last quarter of the vehicle and just made it look like a minivan. The low ride height doesn't help either. The fast charging and range are a huge selling point though. It will be a truly road trip EV if the charging performs as advertised.

 

[TigerWuxia]

Lucid Gravity seems interesting but it looks more like a minivan than a SUV. Also, when all 3 rows of seats are up, there is very limited space at the back. Its design reminds me of Dodge Grand Caravan with stowaway seats.

 

[ElGuano]

So to really tap into the power, you have to use launch mode or you're not getting much benefit from having that extra power. So it slows down by close to a half second (or more) to 60 when you don't use launch mode.

Yep, launch mode in theory makes sense (dropping the front, etc.). But setting a specific mode is super high friction, few people will ever do it outside of an actual drag strip or that one stoplight encounter where they cosplay FatF.

I think you DO get the benefit of the extra horses in the new off-road modes though. Maybe not all at once, but each front wheel has a full 250+hp available to it if needed, and that could actually be useful.

But it raises another interesting issue with the new Quad. It's quite schizophrenic IMO. You walk through a one-way door as you choose its skillset. Do you get the staggered sport tires to be able to hit the 2.5sec and really have a use for launch mode? But then, realistically not be able to use kick turn or take advantage of the extra motors on trails? Or do you choose the AT wheels/tires, get kick turn and better offroad, but realistically not be able to drag it to its claims due to tire limits?

This kind of existed with the Tri-motor and even the Dual, but it seems really more forked and exacerbated with the extreme features/claims on the Quad.

 

[thrill]

...But it raises another interesting issue with the new Quad. It's quite schizophrenic IMO. You walk through a one-way door as you choose its skillset. Do you get the staggered sport tires to be able to hit the 2.5sec and really have a use for launch mode? But then, realistically not be able to use kick turn or take advantage of the extra motors on trails? Or do you choose the AT wheels/tires, get kick turn and better offroad, but realistically not be able to drag it to its claims due to tire limits?...

Generally, something that can perform at a higher level than is done in everyday use will be built with better cooling, more robust parts, etc. Cost-wise though, it's more money and probably slightly less efficient than something built to *just the right amount* for the target. The important part to me is that it's likely to be more robust. So, I think the R1T-G2 with 20"AT-black is a near perfect thing, worth the 0.2 drag-race penalty, as long as it fits your budget.

 

[DuoRivians]

I’d consider paying $120K for a quad max… with 800v charging haha—I know, I’m beating a dead horse

 

[seanocono]

Lucid Gravity seems interesting but it looks more like a minivan than a SUV. Also, when all 3 rows of seats are up, there is very limited space at the back. Its design reminds me of Dodge Grand Caravan with stowaway seats.

In the Gravity, you have the large sub-trunk available when the third row is up. I would be interested to see the cargo capacity in that configuration because I bet it's higher than the R1S with the third row deployed; especially, when considering the frunk space.

 

[Great Gatsby]

Yep, launch mode in theory makes sense (dropping the front, etc.). But setting a specific mode is super high friction, few people will ever do it outside of an actual drag strip or that one stoplight encounter where they cosplay FatF.

I think you DO get the benefit of the extra horses in the new off-road modes though. Maybe not all at once, but each front wheel has a full 250+hp available to it if needed, and that could actually be useful.

But it raises another interesting issue with the new Quad. It's quite schizophrenic IMO. You walk through a one-way door as you choose its skillset. Do you get the staggered sport tires to be able to hit the 2.5sec and really have a use for launch mode? But then, realistically not be able to use kick turn or take advantage of the extra motors on trails? Or do you choose the AT wheels/tires, get kick turn and better offroad, but realistically not be able to drag it to its claims due to tire limits?

This kind of existed with the Tri-motor and even the Dual, but it seems really more forked and exacerbated with the extreme features/claims on the Quad.

I'd personally go with the bronze 22s. Allegedly 374 miles and 400 in conserve while still getting a mix of all worlds. But then this talks to me down to the tri that can do 95% of the same things...sorry, this whole concept just really leaves me wondering how they decided to do a tri and a new quad.

 

[seanocono]

I'd personally go with the bronze 22s. Allegedly 374 miles and 400 in conserve while still getting a mix of all worlds. But then this talks to me down to the tri that can do 95% of the same things...sorry, this whole concept just really leaves me wondering how they decided to do a tri and a new quad.

My guess is the Tri materialized when they realized it would take a while to release the G2 Quad, and they needed a higher performance variant that would compete with the G1 Quad for the release of this second generation.

I would not be surprised if the Tri gets phased out eventually.

 

[Great Gatsby]

My guess is the Tri materialized when they realized it would take a while to release the G2 Quad, and they needed a higher performance variant that would compete with the G1 Quad for the release of this second generation.

I would not be surprised if the Tri gets phased out eventually.

Very fair point!

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