When R2 prices are released, how much is too much?

[M3_R2]

OK, I have a question regarding those opting for a tri-motor. Is it mainly just because of the acceleration? I ask because we have a dual-motor Model Y Long Range, and it'll do 0-60 in the high 4s, which is fun to put a stupid grin on my face for punching off the line every once in a while. But as soon as it gets into the twisties, all that power starts writing checks that its suspension can't cash, and I back off.

With my Model 3 Long Range, which has the same basic powertrain and will do 0-60 in about 4.2 seconds, I can use that power more effortlessly, and the lower center of gravity and suspension geometry make it feel like it's on rails on the backroads compared to the Model Y.

I'm just wondering how a tri-motor R2, which seems to be shaping up to be more "trucky" than the Model Y and will probably have a higher CoG, will handle that power without being a one-trick pony for making your passengers poop their pants from a dead stop.

The Tri-Motor is the only one I'm interested in. For the torque vectoring, esp on snow. But if it's $70k, it's in EX60 P12 territory which would make it a hard sell.

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[franklinb]

I reserved my R2 about 2 weeks ago. I was wondering if anyone knew how many reservations there are and how long it will take to build them all. I know I’m really really late to the game but just wondering if it’ll probably be mid to late 2027 or even 2028 before I could get my R2. Or could it by rare chance be earlier in 2027.

 

[godfodder0901]

I reserved my R2 about 2 weeks ago. I was wondering if anyone knew how many reservations there are and how long it will take to build them all. I know I’m really really late to the game but just wondering if it’ll probably be mid to late 2027 or even 2028 before I could get my R2. Or could it by rare chance be earlier in 2027.

They had nearly 100k in the first week, but have made no other reports. Plan on ~20k built in 2026 and 60k the year after. This is dependant on conversion rate, obviously.

 

[Mos Eisley]

I reserved my R2 about 2 weeks ago. I was wondering if anyone knew how many reservations there are and how long it will take to build them all. I know I’m really really late to the game but just wondering if it’ll probably be mid to late 2027 or even 2028 before I could get my R2. Or could it by rare chance be earlier in 2027.

I test drove an R1 Saturday and reserved my R2 the same day. The rep with the R1 said reservations were 250,000-300,000 at that point. Of course, some lesser percentage, ~30-60% will likely follow through.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

The Launch Ed specs are so close to the Model Y Perf, I just don't see any chance price comes in less.

R2 Launch Ed $59,990 seems likely.

And now the CyberTruck is $59,990 (for a limited time!)

I personally hope that Rivian can keep the R2 Launch Edition under $60K, but they need to make money in order to grow and expand. Leaving money on the table due to high demand and low production in 2026 (20K-25K based on estimates from Rivian) would be a mistake. More affordable trims will come in time. They need to make a profit first and foremost.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

The Tri-Motor is the only one I'm interested in. For the torque vectoring, esp on snow. But if it's $70k, it's in EX60 P12 territory which would make it a hard sell.

If Rivian even makes a tri-motor anytime soon it’s going to be pricey. There’s a $23K difference between the starting price of the R1S dual-motor and tri-motor. Even when you add the $7,000 Max Pack battery to the dual-motor it’s still a $16K difference. If there’s a $15K difference between the $45K base model and launch edition ($60K?) then there’s definitely going to be a $10K or higher difference between the dual and the tri.​

 

[blipit]

Dual-motor Large pack will likely be volume seller. That trim before options better be no more than $54,990. If they can come in under that, they will sell very well.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Dual-motor Large pack will likely be volume seller. That trim before options better be no more than $54,990. If they can come in under that, they will sell very well.

Definitely. Most people shoot for the middle. I think $55K sounds reasonable for something like a Rivian, especially with its off-road capabilities. The $45K model is really just there to get people on the website or in the showroom. Once you start adding the things that people really want (AWD, more range, etc.) you’re looking at the next trim level up. This is how the auto industry works in the US.

 

[VegasWeezy]

This is obviously a WAG, but assuming Rivian has 200,000 reservations (reported a year ago), and assuming people on this forum loosely represent R2 reservation holders, then Rivian has pent-up demand for at least 100,000 R2s at the $60K price point. (52.3% of 200,000 = 104,600) That would keep the busy deep into next year with the launch edition.

Two things:

1) This forum does not loosely represent R2 reservation holders. This forum is full of fanboys and EV enthusiasts, not the typical car/EV/R2 reservation holder/buyer.

2) The conversion rate will be nowhere near 50%. Any manufacturer would be lucky to convert 25% of those reservations into sales.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Two things:

1) This forum does not loosely represent R2 reservation holders. This forum is full of fanboys and EV enthusiasts, not the typical car/EV/R2 reservation holder/buyer.

2) The conversion rate will be nowhere near 50%. Any manufacturer would be lucky to convert 25% of those reservations into sales.

Not only that, the interest in EVs has cooled in the U.S. post-rebate revocation, and what was once going to be $45,000 - $7,500 tax credit is gonna be just $45,000.

It‘ll be interesting to see how many stick around.

 

[ndmiller]

Price isn't going to be the issue, final specs sans speculation and configurator options will driver the purchase. Will it replace what it needs to replace or not.... If yes buy, if no get refunds on both reservations.

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Not only that, the interest in EVs has cooled in the U.S. post-rebate revocation, and what was once going to be $45,000 - $7,500 tax credit is gonna be just $45,000.

It‘ll be interesting to see how many stick around.

I think the EV market is continuing to grow in the US, just not as fast as Europe or China. The tax credit was supposed to help until EVs reached price parity with ICE vehicles. We are seeing more affordable EVs coming out, like the Chevy Equinox, Bolt, new Nissan Leaf, Subaru Uncharted, new Toyota Bz, and cheaper pricing on the Hyundai Ioniq 5, etc. Then there’s the push for more hybrids and EREVs. It will be very interesting to see how it all unfolds.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

I think the EV market is continuing to grow in the US, just not as fast as Europe or China. The tax credit was supposed to help until EVs reached price parity with ICE vehicles. We are seeing more affordable EVs coming out, like the Chevy Equinox, Bolt, new Nissan Leaf, Subaru Uncharted, new Toyota Bz, and cheaper pricing on the Hyundai Ioniq 5, etc. Then there’s the push for more hybrids and EREVs. It will be very interesting to see how it all unfolds.

GM is already going to kill the new Bolt

https://www.motortrend.com/news/gm-killing-chevy-bolt-ev-again

 

[godfodder0901]

GM is already going to kill the new Bolt

https://www.motortrend.com/news/gm-killing-chevy-bolt-ev-again

The problem with GM and the other legacy autos is that when their EVs fail, they say it's because EVs don't sell. But the real reason their EVs don't sell isn't because they are EVs, but because they're shitty cars.

 

[AlphaSnowbordergirl]

The problem with GM and the other legacy autos is that when their EVs fail, they say it's because EVs don't sell. But the real reason their EVs don't sell isn't because they are EVs, but because they're shitty cars.

I would put more fault with the dealerships. Most OEM dealerships I went to (and it was all in one day, Honda, Toyota, Suburu, Lexus, Chevy, Cadillac, Ford, Hyundai, Kia, volkswagen) most of the sales people knew nothing about the EV, did not know the specs, did not know what NACS or what Regen was, did not know how to work the software, Toyata was just blatant disrespectful and lost all interest in us when we said just the EV, and had very little interest in selling us an EV. If we didn't know about EVs there was no way we would have ended up with one. Hyundai and Kia were the only ones who had sales people who knew about the car and showed interest. Acura was the outlier who knew about EVs and happily talked about it with us but did not recommend Acura's one EV. So yeah, the dealerships were terrible. Polestar and Rivian was great (though I went to a new Rivian Space and knew more about the cars than they did, but to be fair, they were new employees and I watch like every Rivian video so...)

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