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Forager
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A lot can happen in a year. 6 months is a big window. Those two variables are so large I’ve decided it’s best not to think about.
I am instead focused on getting to see one in person this year.
I am instead focused on getting to see one in person this year.
mkg3
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Lots of folks on this forum "needs" R1 vehicle, so it seems.
Some people are trying to replace an expiring lease, and others seem to have already sold the car in anticipation of R1 (since used car prices are so high).
Completely understand the frustrations and major inconveniences this must create.
My perspective is that if you are timing the R1 to replace, then probably its not a suitable option for the obvious reasons. If your R1 acquisition is to add, or replace whenever, then its a great option, if you desire the vehicle.
One thing I've learned in life is not to spend too much worries on things you cannot control. You know, things like delivery date, $RIVN stock price. Things you can control is to take advantage of opportunities, when it presents itself.
I'm late 2021 R1S reservation holder with 2023 delivery window. Do I like it - no. Am I upset about it - no. It will come when it comes. Meanwhile, I see R1T on the road every time I'm. out and about so I know its happening. R1S should follow soon so it is what it is...
Some people are trying to replace an expiring lease, and others seem to have already sold the car in anticipation of R1 (since used car prices are so high).
Completely understand the frustrations and major inconveniences this must create.
My perspective is that if you are timing the R1 to replace, then probably its not a suitable option for the obvious reasons. If your R1 acquisition is to add, or replace whenever, then its a great option, if you desire the vehicle.
One thing I've learned in life is not to spend too much worries on things you cannot control. You know, things like delivery date, $RIVN stock price. Things you can control is to take advantage of opportunities, when it presents itself.
I'm late 2021 R1S reservation holder with 2023 delivery window. Do I like it - no. Am I upset about it - no. It will come when it comes. Meanwhile, I see R1T on the road every time I'm. out and about so I know its happening. R1S should follow soon so it is what it is...
irvineboy
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This is replacing my vehicle which is costing me a ton of money in repairs. I’m debating whether to keep throwing money fixing this car or just buying something affordable until the R1S comes. A part of me doesn’t want to buy anything since a year will come by quickly. But honestly what if it takes 2-3 years due to production delays?
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timf
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If I was in dire need of a car I would buy something else now and come back to Rivian in a few years once the production backlog has cleared.
SeaGeo
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Agreed. Fund something you will appreciate if you need to keep it long term, but also something that you probably won't lose a massive amount on.
dleepnw
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i believe they have started production of the R1S. there's been some social media posts of them. most likely they are employee vehicles, just like with the production start of the R1T. its slow going obviously but coming and at this point I think they are a little better at production forecasts (at least thats the half glass full guy in me speaking)
cardad
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If it takes. 2-3 years you should be worrying about Rivian’s solvency because they will be failing expectations badly and burning through cash. They realistically only have about a year to prove their ability to scale as competition is fierce (aka Lightning/CT) and they will need to spend their way to scale on both their delivery trucks and the R1T/S. They don’t have that many orders as it is relative to Ford and Tesla so their market penetration is weak. Scaling on time is their primary ticket to raising more capital and remaining viable.
if you think they can’t deliver on time you should consider backup plans. The mid to full size electric SUV segment will start getting more crowded by 2023 so Rivian needs to scale quickly to build market leadership/share gains.
mkg3
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I used to have 2005 Mini Cooper and when it hit 80K miles, every month was a $800~$1200 repair for few months. Had enough and got rid of it and replaced it with 2yr old lease turn in Saab 9-3 (2008) for a song. We still have it and one of our kids drive it with 180K miles on it.
Think of it this way, if there is 2~3 yrs delay, Rivian as we know it today won't exist. So think about cost avoidance of repair bills vs cost of paying repair. If you own the car then its just a repair bill. If you still owe a balance, then its payments + repair bill so the latter case is easy. Replace the vehicle with something you can sell easily in a year or two.
That said, its a value proposition only you can answer so good luck in your decision.
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lostpacket
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Don't want to discourage anyone from buying a Rivian or cancelling their order (unless they are ahead of me in line lol), but there are a lot of good electric SUVs out there now, and most can be found at or near MSRP with a little hustling.
I am not EV expert, (but I do play one on TV). So if it's a helpful starting point, here's a list of what I've learned while being cooped up inside during Covid and Omnicron and hoovering up all the EV reviews I could find.
All of these are good cars that I think any buyer will be happy with
I didn't list tesla, but if that's your thing, go for it. More people in EVs is great, I just figure everyone already knows about them. Also for what it's worth, a lot of those SUVs above are great but I think only the Model X has the 3rd row seats.
Edit: also the Polestar 2 is fantastic if your considering a sedan. And they are in stock.
I am not EV expert, (but I do play one on TV). So if it's a helpful starting point, here's a list of what I've learned while being cooped up inside during Covid and Omnicron and hoovering up all the EV reviews I could find.
All of these are good cars that I think any buyer will be happy with
- Hyundai Ionic 5 (great tech)
- Kia EV6 (great tech)
- Volvo XC40 Recharge (luxury, safety)
- Volvo C40 Recharge (fastback version of XC 40)
- VW ID.4 (comfort, practical)
- Mustang Mach E (fun handling)
- Audi Etron (luxury)
- Kia Niro EV (practical)
- Hyundai Kona EV (practical)
- Chevy Bolt (budget, hard to get, be sure it has had the battery replaced)
- Nissan Leaf (uses charging tech being phased out of N America)
- Toyata BZ4X (meh specs)
- Subaru Solterra (meh specs)
- Nissan Aryia (unsure, could be ok)
- Mazda MX-30
I didn't list tesla, but if that's your thing, go for it. More people in EVs is great, I just figure everyone already knows about them. Also for what it's worth, a lot of those SUVs above are great but I think only the Model X has the 3rd row seats.
Edit: also the Polestar 2 is fantastic if your considering a sedan. And they are in stock.
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paariv
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Are any of those going to work for those of us who want a usable third row? That is the key Rivian feature that keeps me waiting (and throwing money into maintaining my old bmw).
irvineboy
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It doesn’t have to be electric plug in but we like larger SUVs. I’m leaning toward a Kia Telluride as I read good reviews. They are 8 months out and high markup in CA so thinking of ordering out of state and getting it shipped. I haven’t test drove one yet so anyone have experience, I’d love your opinion. I currently have a BMW X5 over 120k miles and replaced the transmission and a ton of money for oil leaks. CV boot is going bad now…….headache.
lostpacket
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Yeah I added an edit shortly after posting that as I know that is important to a lot of folks. Model X is the only other electric SUV with a 3rd row I know of. EV7 is supposedly coming in 2024 though
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If you need a car on a schedule, I wouldn't count on a Rivian - especially as you just put in your order recently and there are thousands over orders going back up to 4 years ago that are ahead of you.
The combination of Rivian being a new company that hasn't delivered an R1S to any actual customers yet and the supply chain problems plaguing everyone means it's likely several years before you get your R1S.
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