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Air-Conditioning not cold enough - Will I be charged if it's "within spec"?

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Part of the reason for that is your 2004 Tahoe is R134a refrigerant. EPA regulations sunsetted R134a due to its GWP (Global Warming Potentional). All auto manufacturers now use R1234yf. Depending on who did the study, R1234yf is 5% to 20% lower performance compared to R134a.
When manufacturers switch to a new refrigerant, they also change other components in the system so that the cooling efficiency remains within spec. That said, my Jeep uses R1234YF and the A/C is so cold that I can't leave it on max cool for long even on a 100 degree day.
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Keep in mind that temps in the A/C vents mean almost nothing without also considering ambient temperature. As a general rule of thumb, your vehicle should be putting out about 20 degrees cooler air than ambient temps.
 

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As a general rule of thumb, your vehicle should be putting out about 20 degrees cooler air than ambient temps.
That would really suck if it were true, luckily it's not. I'll be in a place that's 115 today, you think my AC will be blowing 95? LOL.
 

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Keep in mind that temps in the A/C vents mean almost nothing without also considering ambient temperature. As a general rule of thumb, your vehicle should be putting out about 20 degrees cooler air than ambient temps.
Thats where recirculating air versus outside only comes into play.....
 

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Actually, it is. I used to work on A/C systems. Research Delta T and educate yourself. HVAC isn't magic.
I have an MVAC certification. You absolutely will not get 90 degree air when it's 110. You will get 45-50. I just had the Rivian in for a full AC evac/charge and the tech left the thermometer in the vent. Under 50 while it was over 100, not on recirc (car was 150 inside anyway).
 

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Thats where recirculating air versus outside only comes into play.....
Today, my car's inside temp will hit 145 and the fans will kick on to prevent it going higher. It will be 110 outside. How exactly do you think the interior gets to 75 in less than five minutes?
 

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Thats where recirculating air versus outside only comes into play.....
Yup, recirc is a factor. So is humidity. But generally speaking, if you have a 20 degree differential, the A/C system is probably working just fine. Too many people think that they should see 40F at the vent and that's just not the case most of the time.
 

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I have an MVAC certification. You absolutely will not get 90 degree air when it's 110. You will get 45-50. I just had the Rivian in for a full AC evac/charge and the tech left the thermometer in the vent. Under 50 while it was over 100, not on recirc (car was 150 inside anyway).
Cool story. Unfortunately, there's not am automotive A/C on Earth that will output 45-50 degree air from outside ambient over 100. Sorry, not possible. The math just doesn't math.:)
 

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Cool story. Unfortunately, there's not am automotive A/C on Earth that will output 45-50 degree air from outside ambient over 100. Sorry, not possible. The math just doesn't math.:)
There's not a single automotive AC on earth that will be limited to a 20 degree differential when working correctly.
 

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Today, my car's inside temp will hit 145 and the fans will kick on to prevent it going higher. It will be 110 outside. How exactly do you think the interior gets to 75 in less than five minutes?
Do you not understand that recirc is needed to allow the system to continue to drop interior temps when the heat load outside is high? This should be fairly obvious, no?
 

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There's not a single automotive AC on earth that will be limited to a 20 degree differential when working correctly.
I never said that. Don't put words in my mouth.
 

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Hey Swampy, maybe you should post a video and prove me wrong. Wait or your 110 degree day and then throw a thermometer in your vent and show us the temp and video it as it drops. I'd love to see that.
 

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When manufacturers switch to a new refrigerant, they also change other components in the system so that the cooling efficiency remains within spec. That said, my Jeep uses R1234YF and the A/C is so cold that o can't leave it on max cool for long even on a 100 degree day.
Some components have to be changed such as the capillary tube or expansion valve. Other components don't have to be changed but should be changed if the manufacturer wants to keep the same cooling capacity. But they also might choose to not change components due to space, production or other non-technical (lol financial) reasons and deem the decreased capacity as the new spec. I have read discussion in the Dodge community that when Dodge moved to R1234YF they did not change the compressor, evap or condensor coils, which would result in lower cooling capacity.
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