Anyone Still Using RAN?

[bigsky]

Ok? Maybe follow this instead, it might help with your simplistic understanding of math.


Where's the scam? ICE drivers don't use DCFC and purchasing gasoline is a wash as far as cost, nowhere near your supposed 5 or 6 times the price.

I'm not quite sure why you're replying to me anyway.

$0.53/kWh in ICE terms=$17.869/gallon of gasoline. That's where.

Just so you know, when posting anything, you accept and indeed should rightfully expect replies from anybody. Fair game, you are unless of course you are afraid of debating issues.

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[captainjp]

 

[strykerwsu]

We went EV thinking we would be saving SO much money over gasoline. Just ain't happening, and I have that... sour note... stuck in my mind.

I tried, I tried, I tried. Had to run errands yesterday that took me within 8 miles of the East Greenwich RI RAN station (rated at 1 - , BTW); figured "Okay.. let's do this!" Got off Rt. 4 and across from the off ramp (1 block from the RAN station) was a new, Neon gas station with a Tesla charging bank in the back. I needed to get the battery up to 85% (expecting to do a lot of driving this weekend) and the session added 71.21kW. RAN... $0.60kW, Tesla... $0.48kW. I went Tesla. $34.18 versus $42.73 (basic math). It's not "premium fuel", it's electricity. The same electricity at Tesla that they have at the RAN station.

Idunno... I bought the Rivian (outright as of March of this year) thinking I would be saving money in the long run... that just has not materializing at all. My auto insurance premium has more than doubled and the R1T is costing me and average of $0.22 per mile (basic math; cost / miles driven), where my old Frontier (traded on the R1T) was running me $0.15, and our 2015 Nissa Rogue is running $.09. LOVE the vehicle, LOVE the R1T, LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT... but over $30 a week in energy... I am starting to rethink how in the Hell did I get here?

For the moment, we are treating is as the "Townie Truck" and my daily driver; various appointments and local errands, no more than 50-60 miles a day when we are out and about, etc. A very expensive "Townie Truck". Unlike an ICE vehicle, I have not seen any uptick in MPGe savings when driving on the highway - the cost per mile actually went up.

Not... wholly impressed with these economics.

Buying anything over $70k is not going to get you better economics, especially when insurance / registration is calculated. However for me at $.11 a kilowatt hour for 90% of charging and let’s say .$50 on average for l3 charging at 10% I’m at $.15 a kWh. Compared to my Hemi Ram For my 12k miles per year at 16.5 mpg at $2.80 a gallon = $2,037 annually vs R1T at my lifetime 2.1 mpkwh = $857. Over my expected use case of 8 years =$9,440. So that is a benefit as well as way less carbons if into that kind of thing.

 

[bigsky]

Buying anything over $70k is not going to get you better economics, especially when insurance / registration is calculated. However for me at $.11 a kilowatt hour for 90% of charging and let’s say .$50 on average for l3 charging at 10% I’m at $.15 a kWh. Compared to my Hemi Ram For my 12k miles per year at 16.5 mpg at $2.80 a gallon = $2,037 annually vs R1T at my lifetime 2.1 mpkwh = $857. Over my expected use case of 8 years =$9,440. So that is a benefit as well as way less carbons if into that kind of thing.

In reality, an EV owner will always come out ahead at least in terms of EV maintenance costs or lack thereof and charging largely at home. My Model S cost way over $70k and it indeed has saved me a lot of money both in terms of energy and maintenance, the latter at $850 in over 5 years.
Auto insurance for my EVs is par with ICE, not more expensive because it is an EV, or Teslas, or Rivian.

Auto registration, absolutely. $250 more expensive compared to ICE, another capricious and arbitrary scam. Still, cheaper.

 

[Rade]

There is a substantial disconnect between the stated battery range and the actual miles driven. I use the Trip-A odometer; I put 138 miles on the truck since the last charge at a cost of $34.18. When I divide that cost by the mileage, I get $0.25 per mile. I don't know what other mathematics to use to make is sound better.

We have the large battery pack. Hypothetically, if I were to charge to capacity from empty - 329 miles at (Tesla rate of) $0.48, that would be $158 to "fill up the tank".

All I know is that I will be quite judicial on where and how much I drive.

Yes, I do charge at home - rarely put the charger above 12amps. We have solar on the house and I am trying to balance what the house is using with what goes out to Net Credits.

But I have also not taken into consideration the routine maintenance and repairs to our aging ICE vehicles. The 11yo Nissan Rogue is running us about $7k a year in road wear / routine.

 

[Costelo]

What is ran? We charge our truck and suv at home about once a week and they are good. Never charge outside.

 

[Spork8]

$0.53/kWh in ICE terms=$17.869/gallon of gasoline. That's where.

Wow your math is just horrid....

Just so you know, when posting anything, you accept and indeed should rightfully expect replies from anybody.

Sure, but you reply to me interjecting about things I never brought up. Not sure why you reply to me about such things you want to whine about, but play stupid games win stupid prizes - amirite?

Fair game, you are unless of course you are afraid of debating issues.

This isn't a sentence.

 

[captainjp]

What is ran? We charge our truck and suv at home about once a week and they are good. Never charge outside.

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[bigsky]

Wow your math is just horrid....



Sure, but you reply to me interjecting about things I never brought up. Not sure why you reply to me about such things you want to whine about, but play stupid games win stupid prizes - amirite?


This isn't a sentence.

Might want to go back to school and take grammar 101. Whining?
Nope.

 

[bigsky]

Wow your math is just horrid....



Sure, but you reply to me interjecting about things I never brought up. Not sure why you reply to me about such things you want to whine about, but play stupid games win stupid prizes - amirite?


This isn't a sentence.

Math is horrid?
Wow. I encourage you to take Physics 101 and learn about units of power, conversions from one to another, then revisit 3rd grade math to do the corresponding calculations. Report back once you learn.

Or use any Google machine, your choice.

 

[Rade]

I saw a comment somewhere that if we have a subscription to "Connect+" (I do) that there... is a discount when using a RAN station...? Is that a thing?

 

[Rade]

For shits and giggles, I looked up the RAN station in Kittery, ME. It's $0.41 per kW.

I don't know what the deal is here in RI? The difference between the RAN station and Tesla station less than a 1000 feet from each other is $0.12kW. Not like it's crossing some geographic boundary or something. Something ain't right.

 

[TomServo2112]

Wow your math is just horrid....



Sure, but you reply to me interjecting about things I never brought up. Not sure why you reply to me about such things you want to whine about, but play stupid games win stupid prizes - amirite?


This isn't a sentence.

@bigsky is still clinging to the willfully disingenuous theoretical energy density of a gallon of gas, I see. If he wants to encourage others to take Physics 101 and then willingly insult others' basic math skills, he can challenge himself to do just that and apply physics to the effect fueling a gas vehicle with said gasoline has on its effieicncy.

@Spork8 most of us have stopped engaging with the troll in any meaningful way. He behaves like your local flat-earther. Full of sound and fury, signifying willful idiocy.

 

[NY_Rob]

I don't get Rivian's pricing strategy. I get they needed to increase it but it should be similar to going rate of other chargers in similar locations. Especially since they opened it up to non-Rivian EVs. If they want more usage they need to lower it to competitive rates.

I don't get the whole idea in creating your own charging network, just stick to making vehicles.

 

[bigsky]

@bigsky is still clinging to the willfully disingenuous theoretical energy density of a gallon of gas, I see. If he wants to encourage others to take Physics 101 and then willingly insult others' basic math skills, he can challenge himself to do just that and apply physics to the effect fueling a gas vehicle with said gasoline has on its effieicncy.

@Spork8 most of us have stopped engaging with the troll in any meaningful way. He behaves like your local flat-earther. Full of sound and fury, signifying willful idiocy.

My ICE dyno SUV with a lousy 19 MPG is cheaper to run on long trips compared to DCFCs cost in many areas. Real experience, facts, forget anything x 101. Anybody with even a most basic command of math can figure that out. I did.

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