Cybertruck photo leaked! ?

[zipzag]

Cybertruck isn't going to be sold at anywhere near the original prices. Dual motor will probably be around 80k, and they'll release a plaid quad motor that will be over 100k.

IMO the price of the non-plaid version has to be competitive with the Lightning

CT is going to do some things better than Rivian. But I would never want to be seen in that thing. I even find the hummer makes too much of a statement.

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[manitou202]

I will never understand this truck. It's flat out hideous.

I would be willing to overlook the ugliness if it actually had some really innovative features for a truck. But so far I don't see anything other than the price (which will never happen). The interior is super cheap and boring, the truck bed is arguably worse than a bed with standard sides, there is no gear tunnel, and no word on a possible frunk. I'm not sure what you get over an R1T, Lightning, or the Silverado EV other than the Tesla name and Supercharging network.

 

[NY_Rob]

^ you get stainless steel skin and bullet proof glass

If you live in L.A. or Chicago the latter could come in very handy...

 

[rogunenode]

I would be willing to overlook the ugliness if it actually had some really innovative features for a truck. But so far I don't see anything other than the price (which will never happen). The interior is super cheap and boring, the truck bed is arguably worse than a bed with standard sides, there is no gear tunnel, and no word on a possible frunk. I'm not sure what you get over an R1T, Lightning, or the Silverado EV other than the Tesla name and Supercharging network.

I see positives being their history of continual sw updates improving vehicles, best battery tech and proven longevity, likely better efficiency, rumored 4wheel steering, more service locations, profitable/stable manufacturer.

That being said, the R1T is a much better fit for my needs and likely a much better truck for truck/offroad use. A killer deal at pre-increased pricing, better interior, potentially better build quality. Surely, better tested for truck use than CT.

But, tbh, the real factor for me is that life is too short to drive something as ugly as the CT.

 

[Engi_Nerd]

I would be willing to overlook the ugliness if it actually had some really innovative features for a truck. But so far I don't see anything other than the price (which will never happen). The interior is super cheap and boring, the truck bed is arguably worse than a bed with standard sides, there is no gear tunnel, and no word on a possible frunk. I'm not sure what you get over an R1T, Lightning, or the Silverado EV other than the Tesla name and Supercharging network.

I agree. Big deal, they made a stressed skin, stainless steel, electric pickup with ALON transparencies, hands-free facial recognition access, 4-wheel steering, and almost certainly class leading storage AND efficiency. Anybody could do that, really.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

I would be willing to overlook the ugliness if it actually had some really innovative features for a truck. But so far I don't see anything other than the price (which will never happen). The interior is super cheap and boring, the truck bed is arguably worse than a bed with standard sides, there is no gear tunnel, and no word on a possible frunk. I'm not sure what you get over an R1T, Lightning, or the Silverado EV other than the Tesla name and Supercharging network.

The ramp built into the tailgate is cool. But yea, so much of the CT is cringe.

 

[CommodoreAmiga]

I agree. Big deal, they made a stressed skin, stainless steel, electric pickup with ALON transparencies, hands-free facial recognition access, 4-wheel steering, and almost certainly class leading storage AND efficiency. Anybody could do that, really.

DeLorean made a stainless steel body over 40 years ago. There are other electric trucks on the market, now. The "hands-free facial recognition" is marketing buzzwords, 4-wheel steering is neither new, nor unique in the electric truck space. Class leading storage? By what measure? It may not have a frunk at all. No gear tunnel. It's got a longer bed, I guess? And efficiency is anyone's guess. Tesla still has that pesky "physics" to worry about. If you're expecting some revolutionary efficiency, then you're going to be disappointed.

 

[NY_Rob]

With the lack of CT's availability to be seen in person/driven (mostly because it's "final" design is still in flux) it might be a knockout IRL. You never know, I panned the i3 for years, but owning one now... it's really a great little, super comfortable commuter car. Even though I "should" have my R1T before I can even sit in an actual production version CT, I'll schlep over to my local Tesla SC to see one once it's available.

 

[Scoiatael]

IMO the price of the non-plaid version has to be competitive with the Lightning

CT is going to do some things better than Rivian. But I would never want to be seen in that thing. I even find the hummer makes too much of a statement.

CT is going to have the best software out of all the EV trucks. Other than the FSD scam, autopilot and the infotainment are definitely at the top compared to everyone else.

 

[NY_Rob]

DeLorean made a stainless steel body over 40 years ago.

You can't compare the Delorean body on frame design to the stressed skin design of the CT, not even close design and result wise. Also, IIRC the CT skin is going to be 3mm thick which is 4.5X thicker than standard automotive sheet metal. Yes, it is a big deal...

 

[Inkedsphynx]

CT is going to have the best software out of all the EV trucks. Other than the FSD scam, autopilot and the infotainment are definitely at the top compared to everyone else.

Watch the out of spec reviews and you'll see how they repeatedly talk about the Rivian UI being better than Teslas. More responsive in particular.

 

[Inkedsphynx]

You can't compare the Delorean body on frame design to the stressed skin design of the CT, not even close design and result wise. Also, IIRC the CT skin is going to be 3mm thick which is 4.5X thicker than standard automotive sheet metal. Yes, it is a big deal...

Real question - what's the day-to-day benefit I'm getting with the CT skin vs any other car on the road? I've yet to understand why I would need whatever they're doing, and why I'd want it given how fugly it is.

 

[manitou202]

I see positives being their history of continual sw updates improving vehicles, best battery tech and proven longevity, likely better efficiency, rumored 4wheel steering, more service locations, profitable/stable manufacturer.

That being said, the R1T is a much better fit for my needs and likely a much better truck for truck/offroad use. A killer deal at pre-increased pricing, better interior, potentially better build quality. Surely, better tested for truck use than CT.

But, tbh, the real factor for me is that life is too short to drive something as ugly as the CT.

The Lightning and Silverado have more service locations, and both are stable manufacturers. They probably have better storage, and tons of aftermarket support (the Lightning can use all of the standard F150 accessories). The Silverado has 4wheel steering.

Tesla's current battery tech is no longer the best in the business. That would go to Lucid. Rivian actually uses a better battery setup than Tesla with bottom cooling of the batteries instead of side cooling. So assuming the Cybertruck gets the new 4680 cells, they would be as good or slightly better, but not a dramatic improvement.

Does the Cybertruck have an onboard air compressor? How about electrical outlets? Passthrough storage to the rear seats like the Silverado? No gear tunnel like the Rivian. If it has a front truck it will probably have a lot less storage than the Lightning or Silverado.

The Cybertruck may have some advantages over the competition, but it also has a lot of negatives. It's not the game changer that people thought it would be when it was originally introduced. Three new very competitive EV trucks are now hitting the market.

 

[zipzag]

I would be willing to overlook the ugliness if it actually had some really innovative features for a truck. But so far I don't see anything other than the price (which will never happen). The interior is super cheap and boring, the truck bed is arguably worse than a bed with standard sides, there is no gear tunnel, and no word on a possible frunk. I'm not sure what you get over an R1T, Lightning, or the Silverado EV other than the Tesla name and Supercharging network.

The CT is probably a more efficient, lighter vehicle while being wider. The heavy weight of the Rivian not only makes it inefficient but also decrease offroad utility. Both the Lightning and probably CT show construction sophistication that Rivian lacks. I assume Hummer is likely also a pig like Rivian.

The inefficiency is not just about operating cost. Charging away from home and away from 100kw+ fast charging is problematic with an inefficent vehicle. A 300 mile range Tesla has more real world charging flexibility than a 300 mile range Rivian.

Much of Tesla software will very likely still be well ahead of Rivian.

Supercharger will likely remain superior to hunting for a couple EA chargers in the Walmart parking lot.

I would prefer a more utilitarian Rivian interior with the high end music system. I'm a truck person at heart, and I like the minimalist interiors. I don't like paying for yellow accents and wood in the steering wheel. Although my interest in the likely CT yoke is also zero.

I do wonder if anyone anywhere is equally interested in Rivian and the Cybertruck. I think Tesla made a good choice with choosing the CT design. I also think Tesla made a good choice with falcon wing doors in the model X. I have no interest in either, but that doesn't mean I feel those choices were a poor business decision.

I think Rivian made very good choices in a great many design tradeoffs. That's why they will get my money. Plus they underpriced the truck.

 

[shamoo]

I will never understand this truck. It's flat out hideous.

I think so as well, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A lot of people think the Rivian R1T/S is also ugly....and I like it.

"It looks like a cartoon!". Hey, that's one of the reasons I like it.

Things usually grow on people over time, but I don't think the Cybertruck will ever do it for me. Are the specs amazing? Sure, but aesthetics play a big role in what I chose to buy.

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