Driver+ super sensitive to torque on the steering wheel?

[4tangledkites]

Only had my R1T for about 10 days. Trying to understand what is normal designed behavior. I currently hate the Driver+ steering assist. I can't keep it active unless I keep my hands OFF the steering wheel. Anytime I do more than a light touch to the steering wheel it forces Driver+ to disengage by jerking the steering wheel. I did factory delivery, and I couldn't keep Driver+ on for more than 1-2min at a time on my 6 hour interstate drive home! I've had better luck sense, but only if I focus on not giving any steering input (which is hard when trying to rest your hands on the wheel).

Am I not allowed to put slight input into the steering wheel? I didn't think this was a hands-off system. I have a Mustang Mach E, and Blue Cruise has no issue with me helping it steer to nudge away from traffic or around curves.

Thoughts? Is my R1T "normal" or do I possibly have an issue?

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[bd5400]

You’re sort of describing two different issues. I’ve never had a problem resting my hand on the wheel without disengaging Highway Assist. If you can’t even touch the steering wheel it sounds like something is wrong.

With that said, I can’t “assist” Highway Assist with steering inputs without it canceling. I don’t think it’s meant to be responsive to your steering inputs and it will cancel if it thinks you are trying to take over.

 

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Am I not allowed to put slight input into the steering wheel? I didn't think this was a hands-off system. I have a Mustang Mach E, and Blue Cruise has no issue with me helping it steer to nudge away from traffic or around curves.

Sounds like it's working as designed.

It wants you to rest your hands on the steering wheel so it knows you're still there, but you should not be trying to influence the direction the vehicle is traveling (unless you are trying to take over, in which case it will disengage and let you take over).

 

[azbill]

I am also used to BlueCruise and find Driver +, well not very +, more like -. It is very sensitive to small inputs. But I also have an issue that when coming to an interchange it tells me to take control, I have my hands on the wheel, then it still disengages everything and locks me out the rest of the drive.

My trick now is to jerk the wheel to turn just the steering off, without losing everything. I do have a service appointment with Rivian in September to address this.

I have also had Driver+ make some pretty abrupt turns toward cars in the next lane, and was sure glad I was holding the wheel.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

Hating Driver+ = Normal

Too sensitive to torque on the steering wheel = Abnormal

The only time my Rivian ever drops out of Driver+ is when I'm passing a semitruck in the right lane, and I try to nudge it a little too much.

I would bring it into service to fix.

 

[Dark-Fx]

You’re sort of describing two different issues. I’ve never had a problem resting my hand on the wheel without disengaging Highway Assist. If you can’t even touch the steering wheel it sounds like something is wrong.

With that said, I can’t “assist” Highway Assist with steering inputs without it canceling. I don’t think it’s meant to be responsive to your steering inputs and it will cancel if it thinks you are trying to take over.

I've tried to do this when it starts to ping-pong and it ends up thinking I want to take over. Impossible to do it effectively without dropping out of auto.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I am also used to BlueCruise and find Driver +, well not very +, more like -. It is very sensitive to small inputs. But I also have an issue that when coming to an interchange it tells me to take control, I have my hands on the wheel, then it still disengages everything and locks me out the rest of the drive.

My trick now is to jerk the wheel to turn just the steering off, without losing everything. I do have a service appointment with Rivian in September to address this.

I have also had Driver+ make some pretty abrupt turns toward cars in the next lane, and was sure glad I was holding the wheel.

I don't understand what they're going to address.

When driver+ tells you to take over you have to do exactly that. The only way to do that is to either turn it off via the gear shift knob, brake, or by turning the wheel to bring it out of it.

If you don't do that it locks you out of Driver+ modes for the rest of the drive. Basically its Rivians version of autopilot jail.

 

[azbill]

I don't understand what they're going to address.

When driver+ tells you to take over you have to do exactly that. The only way to do that is to either turn it off via the gear shift knob, brake, or by turning the wheel to bring it out of it.

If you don't do that it locks you out of Driver+ modes for the rest of the drive. Basically its Rivians version of autopilot jail.

That is not what the Rivian service guy told me on the phone. He claimed it should recognize my hands ont he wheel.

 

[Mathme]

Annoying is having Driver+ engaged on a 2-lane freeway only to have it disengage when it senses an exit ahead. It doesn't do this for every exit, just random ones.

 

[SANZC02]

That is not what the Rivian service guy told me on the phone. He claimed it should recognize my hands ont he wheel.

I think the service guy misunderstood you. When it says take control it means it is going to disengage. I usually shut it off when it tells me to and have had no issues getting it to reengage once past that section.

Only had my R1T for about 10 days. Trying to understand what is normal designed behavior. I currently hate the Driver+ steering assist. I can't keep it active unless I keep my hands OFF the steering wheel. Anytime I do more than a light touch to the steering wheel it forces Driver+ to disengage by jerking the steering wheel. I did factory delivery, and I couldn't keep Driver+ on for more than 1-2min at a time on my 6 hour interstate drive home! I've had better luck sense, but only if I focus on not giving any steering input (which is hard when trying to rest your hands on the wheel).

Am I not allowed to put slight input into the steering wheel? I didn't think this was a hands-off system. I have a Mustang Mach E, and Blue Cruise has no issue with me helping it steer to nudge away from traffic or around curves.

Thoughts? Is my R1T "normal" or do I possibly have an issue?

As for the amount of torque on the wheel to disengage you want it to be as minimal as possible. The last thing you want to do is get in a tug of war with the system when you need to take over. When I use it I usually just rest my hand on my leg and touch the wheel with my thumb and index finger letting the wheel slide through them. I do not have any issues with it staying engaged and used it for thousands of miles on a 5100 mile trip.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

That is not what the Rivian service guy told me on the phone. He claimed it should recognize my hands ont he wheel.

I've actually seen mixed behavior so I'll have to purposely test it again.

The first time it put me into driver+ jail because I left my hands at the steering wheel assuming it would just drop out. I wasn't expecting it to get so mad at me. This was awhile ago.

The last drive I could swear it said to take over, and I didn't disengage it. It appeared to smoothly transition to adaptive cruise control. My hands were at the steering wheel the entire time.

In any case its easy to test because on my Rivian it absolutely detects my hands at the Steering wheel because if I go too long without touching it I'll get the warning, and it quickly goes away when I reapply my hands.

 

[bd5400]

I've actually seen mixed behavior so I'll have to purposely test it again.

The first time it put me into driver+ jail because I left my hands at the steering wheel assuming it would just drop out. I wasn't expecting it to get so mad at me. This was awhile ago.

The last drive I could swear it said to take over, and I didn't disengage it. It appeared to smoothly transition to adaptive cruise control. My hands were at the steering wheel the entire time.

In any case its easy to test because on my Rivian it absolutely detects my hands at the Steering wheel because if I go too long without touching it I'll get the warning, and it quickly goes away when I reapply my hands.

I’ve only tried it twice, but mine requires that I actively disengage Highway Assist either by moving the steering wheel or disengaging with the stalk. If I just leave my hands on the wheel it will boot me out of Highway Assist and keep me from re-engaging for the rest of the drive.

It’s exactly how the other poster described and I suspect he has a service appointment scheduled only to be told it’s operating as intended.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I’ve only tried it twice, but mine requires that I actively disengage Highway Assist either by moving the steering wheel or disengaging with the stalk. If I just leave my hands on the wheel it will boot me out of Highway Assist and keep me from re-engaging for the rest of the drive.

It’s exactly how the other poster described and I suspect he has a service appointment scheduled only to be told it’s operating as intended.

Yeah, I just don't want them to be wasting their time.

 

[s4wrxttcs]

I have a Mustang Mach E, and Blue Cruise has no issue with me helping it steer to nudge away from traffic or around curves.

In my experience driver+ is no such system.

It doesn't like to be nudged.

 

[4tangledkites]

Thanks for all the responses. Unfortunate (at least for me) that Rivian designed it this way. I’m comfortable ”resting” my hands at 10 & 2, but that’s too much pressure for Driver+ apparently. I’ll certainly include this in my first service appointment (to fix the minor issues from delivery), just to let Rivian know what at least one customer thinks.

On the positive side, the adaptive cruise is nice a smooth, no complaints there. It would be nice to have easier way to pause and resume, but just using the stalk is no big deal.

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