For those you upgraded from 1st to 2nd Gen

[ksurfier]

We traded in a 2023 Quad R1S for the 2026 Dual Standard R1S with Goodyear 20” tires…Rivian really pushed the idea that the suspension was hugely upgraded…my current feeling is that there are really minimal differences. The big difference I thought I’d see was improved efficiency, but so far it’s coming in essentially the same…this is even considering that the Quad was used 99% All Purpose!

I’d like to hear from anyone else that made a similar upgrade, if you’ve noticed anything tangible?

The biggest negative I’ve noticed is that the quad felt like it was on rails, so easy to steer, the dual feels a little whimsical/floaty so you need to make more micro adjustments to steering.

Some of this could be me needing to play with some settings or just readjusting to a different drive train…

Appreciate any feedback from ya’ll

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[txoutdoorsman]

The suspension on my R1T is the only chronic issue I have. I’m very interested in hearing other’s experiences. Thank you for posting

 

[Jhawk]

We have a 2022 R1T with 21s and just bought a 2025 R1S Dual/Max on the Goodyear 20s for my wife. I don't know if it's the 20s, the suspension, or likely combination of both but I think the 2025 has a much better ride quality around town. I only drive the truck in all purpose/standard/soft and it's still jarring on on the cracks and pot holes. The 2025 seems to absorb them better. I might do a wheel and tire swap sometime to test it out.

The one thing I don't like about the 2025 is the default to auto ride height. The ride quality on low is horrible even at highway speeds. Just let me choose what I want and keep it there. That was a real miss on the EPA testing if that is really the reasoning.

 

[Donald Stanfield]

I had a ‘22 R1T and now a ‘25 R1S and I would say the new one handles substantially better. It is much quieter and refined.

 

[portdirect]

Rivian's marketing around efficiency is wild - there are numerous measurements showing that the actual real world delta between motor configurations is minimal. Folks can argue me here, and I'll go dig things up if required - but in real world usage there's very little difference between a gen1 quad and the dual enduro motor R1s (both generations). In fact the drag of the gearbox & inverter switching components on the enduro motor is one of the reasons why the new quad is in lab tests actually shows greater efficiency than the tri (after a year of claiming the inverse).

In the real world - aerodynamics, and rolling resistance massively outweigh the other factors.

 

[use4rivian]

i just placed order for dual max, 410 mi range, dymatic glass roof+ sound system, dark out. expecting delivery at end of November 2025. I currently have launch edition quad R1S.

 

[Jdcorbitt3]

To make a long story short, we bought two gen 2s, R1S tri and R1T quad. I still have my Gen 1 T Quad and it’s still for sale. After driving the gen 2s, I talked to Rivian about the rattle from the front suspension that the gen 2s dont have. I brought it to Rivian, and the replaced the front shocks with the gen 2 shocks. Now my gen 1 drives just as well as my gen 2s
The gen 2 R1S is the most efficient of the three. The gen 2 quad is the least efficient of the three, but that is because of the staggered Pilot Sport 4Ss. They are so soft, they pick up loose gravel on roads. I have an extra set of Gen 1 21” rims that I am tempted to try on the Gen 2 T to see how much difference there really is.

 

[Budman]

My Experience:

First R1T: Early build Gen 1 with the Bosch motors. Quad motor, 21" road tires. 131 kWh batttery. 55,000 miles. Only small issue was with a sticky charge port door that Rivian replaced the actuator motor on. No suspension issues, tonneau cover always worked fine. Traded in mostly to reset the warranty and get the ever so slightly bigger battery and hopefully better cold weather range with the heat pump. Range matters a lot to me living and traveling in remote areas of Minnesota and Wisconsin with minimal fast charging options.

Second R1T: Gen 2, Dual motor max pack. 141 kWh battery and 22" road wheels. 28,000 miles with no issues. Suspension good, tonneau also good.

Efficiency data: Quad motor in conserve mode had the same efficiency as the dual motor gen 2. Gen 1 in all purpose had much lower efficiency in warm temp but strangely the same in colder temp's. Why??? It may be due to when only the front motors are running that have to run harder/hotter to heat the battery and cabin negating the benefit of shutting off the rear of the Gen 1???

Sadly, I've observed no benefit from the heat pump. I do get measurably more range from the max pack. It's not a lot but for my use case I'm glad I have it.

I've recently acquired a 2nd set of wheels/tires with the Nokian Outpost nAT all terrains. That data is the large Blue X's to be compared against the small blue squares (a huge drop in efficiency......)

 

[TTedP]

I went from a Gen 1 DM T to a Gen 2 DMP S. The suspension is much quieter - not gone, but way less chattery and loose sounding (Northeast driving with a fair share of old roads and joint cracks everywhere).

I have the 20" AT's and put Goodyears on vs Pirellis (swapped at new). Not sure if less weight is a factor but yes, it's definitely better. My daily driver settings are All Purpose & Medium.

Steering feel? I came from an Alfa which was jet fighter sharp. It's a truck, I expect a floaty feel. An optional setting to tighten steering would be cool though.

Efficiency is sightly better than I had on my T w/ 20" AT and Pirellis (smaller "Large" battery capacity in Gen 2 but ~2.4 kWh / mi vs 2.3 before).

 

[2kwik4u]

I brought it to Rivian, and the replaced the front shocks with the gen 2 shocks. Now my gen 1 drives just as well as my gen 2s

I just got mine back from service yesterday (3rd failed 12V component), nad asked about the suspension. My Gen1 R1T Dual/large with 20in AT's has, what is quite possibly, the loudest and most "rattly" suspension I've ever owned. Had a Silverado with 320k miles on it that didn't sound or feel as loose as this. It's embarrassing. It's been in a few times for other things and I ask about it every time. I've gotten the 2nd gen dampers installed, new half shafts, new ting washers, new jounce lines. Aside from all new controls arms, there isn't much left to replace.

After yesterdays experience, I'm convinced it's just a crap design. The service tech let me ride in 3 different vehicles. My G1 R1T Dual, a G2 R1S tri, and a G1 R1S Quad. All 3 of them sounded similar and rattled like dammit. Like rubber bouncy balls in a metal can over any hard edged surface. washboards amplify it badly as well.

At this point, I'm unsure if I just got a dud, if it's just 3 bad examples, or if they're all like this. But it's bad and makes me not want another one

 

[mmbmca]

My Experience:

First R1T: Early build Gen 1 with the Bosch motors. Quad motor, 21" road tires. 131 kWh batttery. 55,000 miles. Only small issue was with a sticky charge port door that Rivian replaced the actuator motor on. No suspension issues, tonneau cover always worked fine. Traded in mostly to reset the warranty and get the ever so slightly bigger battery and hopefully better cold weather range with the heat pump. Range matters a lot to me living and traveling in remote areas of Minnesota and Wisconsin with minimal fast charging options.

Second R1T: Gen 2, Dual motor max pack. 141 kWh battery and 22" road wheels. 28,000 miles with no issues. Suspension good, tonneau also good.

Efficiency data: Quad motor in conserve mode had the same efficiency as the dual motor gen 2. Gen 1 in all purpose had much lower efficiency in warm temp but strangely the same in colder temp's. Why??? It may be due to when only the front motors are running that have to run harder/hotter to heat the battery and cabin negating the benefit of shutting off the rear of the Gen 1???

Sadly, I've observed no benefit from the heat pump. I do get measurably more range from the max pack. It's not a lot but for my use case I'm glad I have it.

I've recently acquired a 2nd set of wheels/tires with the Nokian Outpost nAT all terrains. That data is the large Blue X's to be compared against the small blue squares (a huge drop in efficiency......)

Where are you getting these plots from?

 

[mmbmca]

I have a 24 R1T Dual Large Gen 1 and 2026 R1S Dual Max Performance Gen 2.
Gen 2 the ride is more refined and quieter. Gen 1 overall the quality is just better, seats in Gen 2 are much softer and everything from the seat adjustment to the doors and handles is not upto par with gen 1 had. My Gen 1 is in service to replace the front subframe to get it to go straight if that works I'll keep Gen 1 for sure.
The Autonomy Driver+ is much better in Gen2 but that is expected, it definitely isn't worth the cost of the Gen2.

 

[Budman]

Where are you getting these plots from?

The plots are from a Python program I wrote.

I reset the Trip A meter before departing. Record the data by hand into an Excel file on my laptop and save it as a .csv format I then use a Python script (Python is a programming language popular in the engineering community). The script calculates the 2nd order least square fit and the 95% confidence bands on the fitted mean line.

If anybody is interested I can post the script.

 

[McLovin]

The plots are from a Python program I wrote.

I reset the Trip A meter before departing. Record the data by hand into an Excel file on my laptop and save it as a .csv format I then use a Python script (Python is a programming language popular in the engineering community). The script calculates the 2nd order least square fit and the 95% confidence bands on the fitted mean line.

If anybody is interested I can post the script.

Meh…Python is like cheating. Real developers use one of the “lesser known programming languages”:
https://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/project/w92/www/lesser-known.shtml

Try writing that plot in SIMPLE, then I’ll be impressed…

 

[Golfer04]

I put 100,000 miles total on two gen 1 quad R1T with a total combined efficiency of 2.17. I've put 39,000 miles on two Tri Max Ts with a combined efficiency of 2.51. That is 15.6 percent efficiency improvement. My current Tri is easily the best of the bunch; nothing rattles, etc (the quads were terrible about it). This one has 7500 miles (two months) and has not been to SC. Driving that much makes me keep close track of efficiency.

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