Gen 2 Standard > Large battery pack.

[mpshizzle]

The "issue" is the range is software determined not a guess-o-meter like other EVs. Even the range displayed is EPA range + %, which is a bit confusing.

True, I do wish it was a guess o meter.

But what I'm taking issue with is this figure:

You'd have to get 2.9 mi/kWh to get that kind of range with 141 kwh.

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[mpshizzle]

I'm very curious what wheel configuration was used for the EPA range tests for Gen 2 vehicles. One interesting thing I noticed on the Rivian website is that new 22 "Range" wheels have the same rated range as the 22" sport wheels

I'm curious too.. if I recall dis.epa.gov has testing documentation listed for all wheel sizes for both R1T and S with standard and max batteries (nothing for Large yet). But on the 22s I don't recall seeing if they specified WHICH wheel it was

 

[narmstrong79]

True, I do wish it was a guess o meter.

But what I'm taking issue with is this figure:

You'd have to get 2.9 mi/kWh to get that kind of range with 141 kwh.

Agreed, they look to be taking the Tesla approach to range estimates. Over promise, under deliver. Although, 240 on an estimated 270 at highway speeds on the standard LFP isn't bad, hopefully the Max performs similar.

But since the display is based on EPA/stated range and not driver average driving efficiency the only # that matters is %.

 

[dsmking]

Now that it has been a few weeks can anyone with a 2025 R1S Standard report on their efficiency around town and doing more highway driving?

It would be useful to get additional datapoints on how well the LFP Standard pack works.

 

[Goose]

Now that it has been a few weeks can anyone with a 2025 R1S Standard report on their efficiency around town and doing more highway driving?

It would be useful to get additional datapoints on how well the LFP Standard pack works.

I'm interested in this, and R1T Standard with 20" wheels, real world range. Technically, that 258 miles in the Rivian builder is the same range as my 4Runner. I Just want to know if that's what to expect in the real world.

 

[narmstrong79]

Now that it has been a few weeks can anyone with a 2025 R1S Standard report on their efficiency around town and doing more highway driving?

It would be useful to get additional datapoints on how well the LFP Standard pack works.

I assume the efficiency will be very close and you wont see a tangible difference. They only efficiency where you MIGHT see real gains will be winter/ sub 40 degree weather with the heat pump.

 

[BrianB]

2025 R1S dual standard. 20” AT. 2300 miles driven.

Around town I have gotten up to 2.6 miles / kWh, but on the highway at up to 70 mph, 2.2-2.3 seems more common.

The sentiment that 270 miles is plenty most of the time misses some important points. The 20” AT EPA is 258 mile range. Real world, especially highway driving won’t provide 2.8 mi/kWh of the EPA rating. Then factor in that you don’t drive down to zero, don’t charge past 80% on the highway, and can’t arrive with a low SOC if you don’t have charging at your destination.

On a 210 mile each way road trip I had to charge mid way coming and going, and also drive out to a super charger near my destination. I would get a bigger battery on my next car.

 

[sirna7]

2025 R1S dual standard. 20” AT. 2300 miles driven.

Around town I have gotten up to 2.6 miles / kWh, but on the highway at up to 70 mph, 2.2-2.3 seems more common.

The sentiment that 270 miles is plenty most of the time misses some important points. The 20” AT EPA is 258 mile range. Real world, especially highway driving won’t provide 2.8 mi/kWh of the EPA rating. Then factor in that you don’t drive down to zero, don’t charge past 80% on the highway, and can’t arrive with a low SOC if you don’t have charging at your destination.

On a 210 mile each way road trip I had to charge mid way coming and going, and also drive out to a super charger near my destination. I would get a bigger battery on my next car.

Thanks for sharing your experience—I completely agree.

I initially reserved the Tri Motor for the extended range and power, but I soon realized that the charging curve hasn’t improved much, making long road trips with kiddos less ideal.

So, I decided to lease instead, giving some time to see where battery tech goes in the next 3 years. That’s what led me on the hunt for the best 2023/2024 Quad lease deal.

 

[narmstrong79]

2025 R1S dual standard. 20” AT. 2300 miles driven.

Around town I have gotten up to 2.6 miles / kWh, but on the highway at up to 70 mph, 2.2-2.3 seems more common.

The sentiment that 270 miles is plenty most of the time misses some important points. The 20” AT EPA is 258 mile range. Real world, especially highway driving won’t provide 2.8 mi/kWh of the EPA rating. Then factor in that you don’t drive down to zero, don’t charge past 80% on the highway, and can’t arrive with a low SOC if you don’t have charging at your destination.

On a 210 mile each way road trip I had to charge mid way coming and going, and also drive out to a super charger near my destination. I would get a bigger battery on my next car.

2024 Standard+ (software locked G1 Large) Performance Dual on 22's at almost 5k miles.

Most of the lifetime average

The last 700 miles

Recent around town 15 minute snap shot / not typical

 

[BrianB]

2024 Standard+ (software locked G1 Large) Performance Dual on 22's at almost 5k miles.

Most of the lifetime average

The last 700 miles

Recent around town 15 minute snap shot / not typical

In a 2025 Dual standard, and 2.2 mi/kW efficiency, you’d stop every 132 miles to charge.

92.5 kWh battery, using from 80% down to 15% SOC at 2.2 mi/kW equals 132 miles of usable road trip range between chargers.

 

[narmstrong79]

In a 2025 Dual standard, and 2.2 mi/kW efficiency, you’d stop every 132 miles to charge.

92.5 kWh battery, using from 80% down to 15% SOC at 2.2 mi/kW equals 132 miles of usable road trip range between chargers.

Standard+ (121kwh) I'd stop probably every 180-190 mile running it as low as i can go (<10%) and filling to 80%. That's 3 hours of driving, i want a break at that point anyhow. Obviously how chargers are spaced out plays a big impact on when i stop and how much i add. But in reality, i don't need the range. I road trip maybe once a year and drive New Hampshire to Philly maybe 1-2x years (350 each way) I charge 1 time on the way down and usually twice on the way back.

Most people want more range, but they never actually need it.

 

[dsmking]

Standard+ (121kwh) I'd stop probably every 180-190 mile running it as low as i can go (<10%) and filling to 80%. That's 3 hours of driving, i want a break at that point anyhow. Obviously how chargers are spaced out plays a big impact on when i stop and how much i add. But in reality, i don't need the range. I road trip maybe once a year and drive New Hampshire to Philly maybe 1-2x years (350 each way) I charge 1 time on the way down and usually twice on the way back.

Most people want more range, but they never actually need it.

How quickly does your Standard+ charge to 80% or how much current do you get in the 70-80% range? I believe that the Standard+ pack is software limited in a way similar to the Large+ right now.

I've heard people speculate that DC charging speed stays higher because 100% on these batteries is actually 75-80% of the physical battery. However I haven't seen anyone talk about the actual charging curve.

 

[narmstrong79]

How quickly does your Standard+ charge to 80% or how much current do you get in the 70-80% range? I believe that the Standard+ pack is software limited in a way similar to the Large+ right now.

I've heard people speculate that DC charging speed stays higher because 100% on these batteries is actually 75-80% of the physical battery. However I haven't seen anyone talk about the actual charging curve.

The charging to 80% seems to be about the same. It still tapers off at 80%. The charging curve is based on the usable percentage not the total battery capacity.

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