Gen2 Quad

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I was just in Normal yesterday I will say that Rivian is very sensitive about photos inside the factory...must have been leaked.

When I was there recently I had security down at the front desk for a picture I posted (and then removed) to reddit - it was amazing how quick it was - under 10 mins. For these pictures to be out there from social media folks on an invite means either: out-of-spec fully wants to burn bridges with Rivian, or... ....co-ordinated 'leak'. I really liked Kyle removing the pictures from X after sending them to Jose; really helps with the spy shots vibe. Whatever - I'm just glad to see this thing finally come real


Edit: my picture's showed nothing of interest BTW, just the factory floor from through the glass wall behind reception.

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[ebarneyr]

When I was there recently I had security down at the front desk for a picture I posted (and then removed) to reddit - it was amazing how quick it was - under 10 mins. For these pictures to be out there from social media folks on an invite means either: out-of-spec fully wants to burn bridges with Rivian, or... ....co-ordinated 'leak'. I really liked Kyle removing the pictures from X after sending them to Jose; really helps with the spy shots vibe. Whatever - I'm just glad to see this thing finally come real


Edit: my picture's showed nothing of interest BTW, just the factory floor from through the glass wall behind reception.

 

[ebarneyr]

Could you tell if charging port was moved to back left? I fear the new RS1 Quad will not be updated with Tesla ‘s port until next year or later when all versions of RS1’s will be changed to the new port location….as the RS2 is coming with….. perhaps when the major change when RS1 third gen comes …. Unless the great expense of changing the new RS1 Quad is the forerunner of the new Gen 3 for the RS1… which I doubt. I do not want to replace my Tesla Plaid with an alternative as the Lucid Gravity Dream …which has Tesla port in left rear… but may have to for unless the new Quad has the port in left back…. I am not sure I can wait that long to get rid of my Tesla with Musk’s craziness!

 

[Captblue]

Could you tell if charging port was moved to back left? I fear the new RS1 Quad will not be updated with Tesla ‘s port until next year or later when all versions of RS1’s will be changed to the new port location….as the RS2 is coming with….. perhaps when the major change when RS1 third gen comes …. Unless the great expense of changing the new RS1 Quad is the forerunner of the new Gen 3 for the RS1… which I doubt. I do not want to replace my Tesla Plaid with an alternative as the Lucid Gravity Dream …which has Tesla port in left rear… but may have to for unless the new Quad has the port in left back…. I am not sure I can wait that long to get rid of my Tesla with Musk’s craziness!

I hope they don't do that. For towing is best to have it in the front. If anything passenger front would be ok. But in the rear, would be horrible.

 

[ElGuano]

I hope they don't do that. For towing is best to have it in the front. If anything passenger front would be ok. But in the rear, would be horrible.

I'm not sure I understand the towing downside, can you explain?

I'm envisioning a standard EA/Supercharger stall. Regardless of whether it's pull-in or back-in, you still have to detach the trailer so it's not blocking the entire street, right?

And if there's a pull-through towing spot, it seems to me it doesn't really matter if the charge port is on the front or back, since the charging stall is off to the side and you just pull through as much as you need.

What am I missing?

 

[Captblue]

There are very little pull through stalls. And if you have to charge While towing, you would need to disconnect the trailer, backup into the stall, charge, then reconnect the trailer.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I dont know why so many care so much about this

Former Tesla owners with die-hard habits and/or just not thinking.

Having to reverse a vehicle as large as the R1 into a spot to DCFC would be a major inconvenience for more than half of drivers. Plus, not all DCFC sites have generous space. Some are quite tight. Some are tight AND poorly lit. As is there are already complaints over access to and cost of repairs for minor accidents. Anyone advocating port to be relocated on the R1 either haven't given it enough thought or have no experience driving the R1.

Plus, any changes to R1's port location will add significant engineering and manufacturing cost. The layman thinks it's as simple as moving it elsewhere. In reality, takes much more than that. The port and everything associated with it has to be relocated and redesigned. And anything these changes impact will also have to redesigned. Entirely new wiring harnesses and any part that needs to be redesigned. And since it wouldn't be efficient to do it only for the Quad... all other existing trims will have to be revised too. Production lines will have to stop and be reconfigured. Workers will also have to be retrained. This doesn't only affect cost and operations at Normal. It would affect suppliers and their lead times too. Huge costs.

And, repeated ad nauseam, even if all cars produced starting today has a NACS port, [not counting Supercharger] overwhelming majority of DCFC dispensers are still on CCS1 and will remain that way for many years. It doesn't matter which charging port anyone has on their new car, there's going to be adapters involved if they want to have the greatest flexibility in fast charging.

I've seen people claiming a NACS port will give them better charging performance. That's pure nonsense. Charging curve has more to do with electrical architecture of the vehicle and software that governs power management. The port is just a receptacle.

 

[Jared2]

Both of those reasons would benefit me to switch. I live right on I90 so hands free would be nice. I wondered how much the increase in range would benefit me. I do charge sometimes 30 miles from home just so I can make it. I am also struggling with which Gen 2 would be right for me. The Duel has the most range, but the tri or Quad would be much more fun.

Actually, the Tri has the same range as the Dual (when it's in Conserve mode). At that time, it only runs the single front motor (acting like the Dual in highway cruise).

Having the Dual, I would go with the Tri... not that there's anything wrong with the Dual, but I will say, coming from the Gen1 Quad, even though mine is a Dual Performance, the power reduction was quite noticable. For anyone coming in not having driven a Gen1, the Dual is plenty powerful.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Actually, the Tri has the same range as the Dual (when it's in Conserve mode). At that time, it only runs the single front motor (acting like the Dual in highway cruise).

Having the Dual, I would go with the Tri... not that there's anything wrong with the Dual, but I will say, coming from the Gen1 Quad, even though mine is a Dual Performance, the power reduction was quite noticable. For anyone coming in not having driven a Gen1, the Dual is plenty powerful.

How does the Tri manage traction in AWD? Does it use the brakes like Dual or does it do it by modulating output of each motor like Quad? or both?

 

[Jared2]

How does the Tri manage traction in AWD? Does it use the brakes like Dual or does it do it by modulating output of each motor like Quad? or both?

Great question. I would assume it's a hybrid of the two. The front would act the way Dual does, and the rear would act as Quad.

Please, someone with ACTUAL knowledge, weigh in... ;-)

 

[ebarneyr]

Great question. I would assume it's a hybrid of the two. The front would act the way Dual does, and the rear would act as Quad.

Please, someone with ACTUAL knowledge, weigh in... ;-)

Does anyone know if the new Quad will have a conserve mode … and if so, the conserve expected range?

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Does anyone know if the new Quad will have a conserve mode … and if so, the conserve expected range?

We will all find out once the media embargo is over, in matter of days.

 

[Mygrain]

Back to the photos on riviantrackr ... Here are a few observations from a guy who used to work in a car factory:

Whatever color it is, there appears to be an R1S the same color as the R1T in one of the pics.

I'm not convinced the rear tires are wider than the fronts.

There are very few people in the photos. There is no visible activity around the lifts and no other vehicles around the lifts. (When I took the tour in December of '23, the area after the water-leak tests and before finished vehicles exit the building was crammed full of vehicles and people.) Although Mr. Castillo claims the photos were taken on May 20, I suspect that production was not running when the photos were taken. I suspect that the truck hanging from the trolley is not the exact same truck shown parked at the lifts. Does Rivian offer tours when production is not running?

Pure speculation: these photos reveal another limited production color, like Dune, with a new wheel design. But not a Gen2 quad.

 

[Doug]

Actually, the Tri has the same range as the Dual (when it's in Conserve mode). At that time, it only runs the single front motor (acting like the Dual in highway cruise).

Having the Dual, I would go with the Tri... not that there's anything wrong with the Dual, but I will say, coming from the Gen1 Quad, even though mine is a Dual Performance, the power reduction was quite noticable. For anyone coming in not having driven a Gen1, the Dual is plenty powerful.

Thanks for the input. I think you may be right either a Tri or Quad if I upgrade. I have had success with my current R1T so I am hesitant to change. I got 41,000 miles on first set of 21 inch tires and have had very few issues.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I'm not convinced the rear tires are wider than the fronts.

Unless they changed plans, it has already been said to be a staggered set of Michelin Pilot Sport 5 S. It was said at Gen 2 launch event. And it was said again when a prototype Quad ran the Pike's Peak hill climb in the production EV category. The width difference isn't huge, and with camera perspective and context of a large truck, it's even less obvious.

F: 275/50R22 R: 305/45R22

1.18", so .59" of extra rubber at each side of a rear tire. That's too small to be noticeable from this distance.

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