New Tesla Model Y L launching this weekend

[rbdavis808]

The Model Y wouldn't be in my top few cars for consideration if I were in the market again today. I'd probably be comparing the R2, Ioniq 5, EV6, and the new Leaf. Probably in that order.

True genius! (We love our Ioniq5 and look forward to the complementary contrast of an R2. It would be more complementary if the latter was an R3, but the world is so imperfect.)

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[Zorg]

I am sure it's a great car. We had a 2021 Y which we liked and traded for a 22 R1T. Main issue is that the Y is the new Camry. Everybody has one and interior is nothing special.

 

[shandering]

They had lifetime FSD in the Juniper Launch Edition, this is only for one year. Terrible deal.

Tesla is not giving out lifetime anymore because I suspect they really do want to give customers unsupervised autonomy

sounds like they feel that unsupervised autonomy is too close to warrant selling FSD anymore.

$8000 FSD is about 6.5 years at $100 a month.

If tesla comes out with unsupervised autonomy and it costs $200-300 a month then it would be stupid to have spent $8000 on FSD only to have to pay again

And if unsupervised requires a new car, then you have to buy a new car in 2 years only to sell a car with $8000 "supervised" FSD that nobody wants.

 

[blipit]

$62k is criminal. I thought it would be like $54k between LR and P trims. R2 looks like such a deal now. Tesla is crazy for this.

Apples to apples...it is $2k more than the "Juniper" Model Y Launch Ed.

(white interior, paint, 20in wheels, tow hitch, 12month FSD, 12month supercharging...is no up charge on LE)

Once LE is sold out they will debut Premium models.

 

[r2fb]

Tesla is not giving out lifetime anymore because I suspect they really do want to give customers unsupervised autonomy

sounds like they feel that unsupervised autonomy is too close to warrant selling FSD anymore.

$8000 FSD is about 6.5 years at $100 a month.

If tesla comes out with unsupervised autonomy and it costs $200-300 a month then it would be stupid to have spent $8000 on FSD only to have to pay again

And if unsupervised requires a new car, then you have to buy a new car in 2 years only to sell a car with $8000 "supervised" FSD that nobody wants.

There is not a single Tesla that you can buy capable of unsupervised autonomy today. They don't have the needed sensors nor the computing power

 

[Jeremy3292]

Apples to apples...it is $2k more than the "Juniper" Model Y Launch Ed.

(white interior, paint, 20in wheels, tow hitch, 12month FSD, 12month supercharging...is no up charge on LE)

Once LE is sold out they will debut Premium models.

FSD license was included forever on Juniper LE. If Model Y L is $55k after LE, then I’ll renege my comments.

 

[SenatorSteak]

Just traded in my 2023 Model Y for the '26 R1T, and Teslas still look as lifeless and vanilla as ever to me. I had zero issues with the Model Y, and zero issues so far with the R1T either — build quality has been perfect.

My MY was the original design, right before the Juniper refresh, and I much prefer that older exterior. The new ones look like minivans to me, and the interiors feel emotionless. Overall, I prefer the Rivian's look and feel by a wide margin.

I'm sure the engineers and teams at Tesla are talented, but their CEO has become a liability and has damaged the brand beyond repair for me — I won't be considering them again.

Hoping Rivian knocks it out of the park with the R2 and keeps refining the R1.

 

[macb00kemdanno]

Just traded in my 2023 Model Y for the '26 R1T, and Teslas still look as lifeless and vanilla as ever to me. I had zero issues with the Model Y, and zero issues so far with the R1T either — build quality has been perfect.

Main issue is that the Y is the new Camry. Everybody has one and interior is nothing special.

The vast majority majority of people like boring, predictable and reliable. That’s why Camrys CRVs and RAV4s are huge sellers. Not everyone wants to be flashy or be seen — they don’t see a vehicle as an extension of themselves. They want something affordable that gets them from point A to point B reliably.

And given that Tesla’s sales were up 25% for Q2 2026 and they had their biggest quarter ever, I’d say that they know their market.

 

[shandering]

There is not a single Tesla that you can buy capable of unsupervised autonomy today. They don't have the needed sensors nor the computing power

Tesla is building a cybercab with camera only. They would put other sensors if they felt they needed them. The amount of compute they have is clearly enough.

Rivian has about half the memory bandwidth with the RAP1 chip and it's only 36gb of memory. Most likely it is a cost issue

 

[Jeremy3292]

Tesla is building a cybercab with camera only. They would put other sensors if they felt they needed them. The amount of compute they have is clearly enough.

Rivian has about half the memory bandwidth with the RAP1 chip and it's only 36gb of memory. Most likely it is a cost issue

All of your posts are the same thing: just telling everyone on a Rivian forum how good Tesla is. It’s nauseating. Tesla has delivered nothing but L2. Nothing. Everything else is just speculation.

 

[shandering]

All of your posts are the same thing: just telling everyone on a Rivian forum how good Tesla is. It’s nauseating. Tesla has delivered nothing but L2. Nothing. Everything else is just speculation.

maybe first learn about the levels of autonomy? FSD is more/less level 4 at this point

Levels of autonomy allow for supervision. What makes a system level 4 is the intent to drive around and perform the entire DDT. You need to identify failures, perform minimum risk maneuvers, etc. which FSD does at this point

What makes FSD level 2 is only a loophole in which SAE allows manufacturers to define their own level. .That is certainly an abuse of how the standard is written as someone only reasonably supervising safety is L4



They have built more than 1000 of these and if they are building a new car from the ground up, you can see the bare minimum that is required. Looks like camera cleaning is required.

 

[graytag]

I get viciously car sick in the 2nd row of every model Y Uber......the 3rd row might kill me.

 

[captainjp]

maybe first learn about the levels of autonomy? FSD is more/less level 4 at this point

Levels of autonomy allow for supervision. What makes a system level 4 is the intent to drive around and perform the entire DDT. You need to identify failures, perform minimum risk maneuvers, etc. which FSD does at this point

What makes FSD level 2 is only a loophole in which SAE allows manufacturers to define their own level. .That is certainly an abuse of how the standard is written as someone only reasonably supervising safety is L4



They have built more than 1000 of these and if they are building a new car from the ground up, you can see the bare minimum that is required. Looks like camera cleaning is required.

Teslas crash into stuff. Like walls that looks like roads

 

[captainjp]

All of your posts are the same thing: just telling everyone on a Rivian forum how good Tesla is. It’s nauseating. Tesla has delivered nothing but L2. Nothing. Everything else is just speculation.

This is the same person that claimed that Gen 2 Rivian was incapable of point to point because it lacked the capability of 90 degree turns. Take everything it says with a grain of salt.

 

[Jeremy3292]

maybe first learn about the levels of autonomy? FSD is more/less level 4 at this point

Levels of autonomy allow for supervision. What makes a system level 4 is the intent to drive around and perform the entire DDT. You need to identify failures, perform minimum risk maneuvers, etc. which FSD does at this point

What makes FSD level 2 is only a loophole in which SAE allows manufacturers to define their own level. .That is certainly an abuse of how the standard is written as someone only reasonably supervising safety is L4



They have built more than 1000 of these and if they are building a new car from the ground up, you can see the bare minimum that is required. Looks like camera cleaning is required.

No it’s not. It’s level 2 otherwise Tesla wouldn’t call it “supervised” self driving. You seem to have way more confidence than Tesla does. It’s not even L3, much less L4.

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