Official Rivian Email: Max Pack updates planned for February

[Dark-Fx]

Could you post here when you get updated about when the next update is about the future update?

Getting real sick of my posts?

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[mini2nut]

I suspect the real reason is that they want to vertically integrate electric motor production. I imagine the goal is to eventually push Bosch electric motors out of all Rivian products.

 

[Dark-Fx]

I provided similar feedback to some people I know within Rivian. My original deposit (2018) was intended to order a Max pack...I stuck with this configuration for a long time and thus missed out on the LE. Finally, after reading between the lines in conversations I switched to the Large pack. I continued to ask, how do you get past the GVWR limitations? Is the Max pack going to have a higher rating to offer a decent payload? Who wants a 400+ mile Off-road truck that you can only carry 4 people and zero gear? Honestly, I think Rivian can do better than the poorly delivered communications coming from Tony.

If the limitation is structural, the larger battery pack could help increase the strength of the structure and as a consequence, increase the payload.

 

[sacramentoelectric]

Getting real sick of my posts?

Never.

 

[Zybane]

Getting real sick of my posts?

No, making a joke about Rivian update shenanigans.

 

[Big_Ike]

No, making a joke about Rivian update shenanigans.

That's the way I read your post.

 

[Viperssd]

My uneducated guess is the max pack will move to a 800v+ architecture which means new motors are needed. A higher voltage architecture will allow for more efficient motors, cabling and charging up to or exceeding the 350kw that is currently deployed and seems like it would be needed for the even larger battery pack.

This is also what I'm really hoping for .....so that makes it easier to assume they're doing this.

 

[lmr]

My uneducated guess is the max pack will move to a 800v+ architecture which means new motors are needed. A higher voltage architecture will allow for more efficient motors, cabling and charging up to or exceeding the 350kw that is currently deployed and seems like it would be needed for the even larger battery pack.

This is also what I'm really hoping for .....so that makes it easier to assume they're doing this.

For the near term in the current R1 platform, Rivian has already stated that the dual-motor will be the same 450v architecture. So until they decide to do a major refresh on the R1 tech, 800v does not appear to be happening anytime s00n.



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[Viperssd]

For the near term in the current R1 platform, Rivian has already stated that the dual-motor will be the same 450v architecture. So until they decide to do a major refresh on the R1 tech, 800v does not appear to be happening anytime s00n.



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I don't understand how they keep saying 300kw+ charging soon then, this is on the 'Charging' portion of the Rivian website. That would be close to 800A....I suppose they could do what GM does but still disappointing since it seems like 800v+ is the future

 

[lmr]

I don't understand how they keep saying 300kw+ charging soon then, this is on the 'Charging' portion of the Rivian website. That would be close to 800A....I suppose they could do what GM does but still disappointing since it seems like 800v+ is the future

Soon seems to be very relative with Rivian, but it would make sense that they future proof their RAN network with the capability, even if they do not yet have vehicles that can take that kind of throughput right now.

 

[SeaGeo]

I don't understand how they keep saying 300kw+ charging soon then, this is on the 'Charging' portion of the Rivian website. That would be close to 800A....I suppose they could do what GM does but still disappointing since it seems like 800v+ is the future

This has been a pet peeve of mine, and it was definitely more confusing before because they intermix the R1 specs with RAN specs on that page.

That page is solely talking about the capabilities of the chargers. They had planned on implementing 800v on the vehicles, but at some point somewhat recently decided not to in the near term. So "300kw" is now in reference to R2 or an updated R1 or other vehicles when they open up the chargers to other manufacturers.

 

[Viperssd]

This has been a pet peeve of mine, and it was definitely more confusing before because they intermix the R1 specs with RAN specs on that page.

That page is solely talking about the capabilities of the chargers. They had planned on implementing 800v on the vehicles, but at some point somewhat recently decided not to in the near term. So "300kw" is now in reference to R2 or an updated R1 or other vehicles when they open up the chargers to other manufacturers.

That makes sense ....it just seems so behind the ball to develop an in-house 400v motor when even Hyundai leaned in with 800v on their Ioniq/EV6/GV60 architecture.
Definitely makes me more likely to stop waiting for the max pack and just jump into a large pack sooner.

 

[SeaGeo]

That makes sense ....it just seems so behind the ball to develop an in-house 400v motor when even Hyundai leaned in with 800v on their Ioniq/EV6/GV60 architecture.
Definitely makes me more likely to stop waiting for the max pack and just jump into a large pack sooner.

Hyundai dumped a bunch of money into that, and it's been genius for them. You basically have Hyundai group, Lucid, and Porsche/Audi. And then sort of GM. Hyundai deserves credit that they produce some awesome cars.

I'm also as disappointed as you in the max pack not being 800v. Charging it is going to be quite slow unless something changes.

 

[PineTree503]

When I ordered my R1T Large Pack I also ordered a Max Pack because I needed the range. I now have 10k on the large pack and just love the truck. However, it seem time and time again they are stripping down the Max Pack and taking away the features I love especially the quad motors and tonneau cover. I certainly hope they are just delaying these features and not canceling them altogether. Also I‘m still waiting for my camp kitchen!!

 

[the long way downunder]

Have to say I'm getting real sick of these "update that we're going to update you later" emails.

Especially irksome since the updates usually get another update and the news is never good, always just an upbeat way of saying "you're not getting what you ordered, what you're getting is not ready, we're not sure about the price and we don't know specifically what we're going to deliver" … Max Pack is particularly egregious because it's gone from a clear promise of a feature, function and performance that was going into the launch edition, to a downgraded configuration that may or may not even deliver the core benefit of 185kWh versus 135kWh, and it's going to be most of two years late.
From the outside in the dark perspective of the customer, this is a "beige" corporate decision to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory – instead of building exactly what people want and what they ordered, build something nobody is quite sure about and nobody knows what it's going to be … at a higher price … Why not just reprice (as they had started to do in March) and communicate clearly.

I'd much rather be paying $15K or $20K for Max Pack in a Quad motor than getting the pre-order price for a dual motor with max pack at $10K (or whatever the numbers work out to be.)

The fail on Max Pack has taken so long, it opened the door to EVlanche, Sierra EV, Lightning and even Cybertruck … talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory:

"We've got the advantage in reaching market first … quick … let's delay our flagship product by a year or two!"​

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"We've got the best EV pickup with a spec that's been known since 2018 and years of pre-orders to build … let's start changing the spec every few weeks, avoid contact with the aftermarket equipment manufacturers and make sure our detail design is incompatible with standard accessories, so there's no accessories, quit our own accessories, and be vague about what we're building, with unplanned price changes."​

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