Poll: Should Rivian offer Apple CarPlay?

[smunro622]

Like most people here I do not want AA or Apple Car Play ..but Rivian needs to uplift the infotainment system to something respectable. 2 major gripes texting, and Spotify not pausing when a call comes in.

Yes I would be happy paying an extra $15-20/month for something upgraded that is more app and feature rich integrations

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[LaJollaAaron]

The software team at Rivian has spent 3+ years designing one of the best, and most good looking, in-car software packages. Why mess it up with CarPlay?

They should be able to implement everything that CarPlay offers as a native option in the future. Just be patient. It took Tesla forever to add all the additional features…
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I’ve had a different experience. Navigation freezes regularly. Touch screen becomes unresponsive, playing music over Bluetooth shows a different artist that what is actually playing. Had a glitch for a while where when I put it in reverse, a screen shot from driving on the freeway would be shown. Map data has wildly obsolete data (shows a bagel shop that closed in 2012 for example)

I came from a Range Rover, the CarPlay (I guess it’s called projection?) worked seamlessly. I’ll freely admit I’m an Apple dork, have had a Mac since 1984.

that said, to each their own, I’m not mad at anyone who doesn’t want it, I was just curious what folks thought. Thank you all for weighing in.

 

[MountainBikeDude]

Maybe add a don't care/impartial? I'd be fine if it had it. But I'm fine without it now too. I used to think it was a must, but once they add some sort of messaging through the existing app, I'll be good.

-Rich

@LaJollaAaron This above. Add the don't care impartial option.

I personally don't want or care for its integration, but I wouldn't care if it was enabled for someone who did.

 

[LaJollaAaron]

as others mentioned….you should have included an “I don’t care either way” option on the poll….

I’ll see if I can edit it.

 

[COdogman]

What I don’t understand is the people who think they can convince Rivian to change their stance. I would like to see screen projection available but I don’t see Rivian changing their stance on it. I mean, they’ve been consistent, AFAIK: nobody with the authority to officially speak on behalf of Rivian ever said screen projection was coming. I could see how some people might be confused by the upcoming mirroring / casting, but that’s completely different.

I absolutely love our R1S and I’d buy it again in an instant if I had to make the decision all over again. Actually, I think that would be an interesting poll for people who want screen projection: What would you buy today given your Rivian experience and ongoing certainty that screen projection is not coming to Rivians? (Same Rivian, Different Rivian, Tesla - still no screen projection but at least it has text messaging, something else but only if it has screen projection, anything else, etc.)

I believe they will eventually add texting, but it won’t bother me if they don’t. Like you, I would buy my T again in a fraction of a second. Rivian’s UI isn’t perfect but when we consider how much it has been added to and improved upon since the beginning, we are very fortunate. I remember the days I had to buy a $200 DVD to update the navigation maps in my Honda Civic and that didn’t do anything to the general UI

 

[MountainBikeDude]

I’ll see if I can edit it.

Thanks man. I think that will be more telling of what the general take is.

 

[CANCERDOC]

From a user experience standpoint, the seamless integration of phone and car with Carplay is unparallelled. It is a game changer and once you have it, you do miss it. The Rivian apps are ok - nav works, spotify works, but there is zero integration. The phone literally has your entire life on it - its nice when the texts are integrated with the car, and your podcasts are synced up between the car and phone.

So of course I'd want Carplay.

That being said, short of Apple buying Rivian, it won't happen because Rivian wants full control of their software, and I understand the reason why.

 

[SoCal Rob]

oh wow- false binary straight into oppressed status.

Creating the offering for group B DOES affect Group A. Pretending that it doesn’t is your false binary.

If Rivian introduces CarPlay, then the UI becomes fragmented. I want voice-to-text capability just like everyone else. But I don’t want it inside a separate app that can’t also control all the native Rivian stuff. Offering CarPlay takes the pressure off of Rivian to deliver all these missing components in the native unfragmented UI, and almost certainly slows down their progress in that native UI as a result. So everyone complaining about people that don’t want CarPlay by saying “why do you care, it doesn’t affect you” are just flat-out wrong. And seriously? You make it sound like you’re part of an oppressed group here?? Because you don’t have CarPlay on your supertruck? Wow.

I’m not pretending anything. You seem to think that either Rivian spends money on internal development or Rivian spends the same money on development to support screen projection as your false binary. At least one Rivian employee admitted that implementing CarPlay was possible and they implied that it wasn’t that big of a deal.

As I have said, and people either don’t read or understand: Rivian can implement CarPlay and charge for it. Heck, they could charge for it upfront to make sure there is suitable demand on a sort of put up or shut up move. (Unlike “FSD” I have faith that Rivian would provide what they’re selling for a up charge.) Whatever they charge over and above development costs related to CarPlay can be used to fund development of the native infotainment to make it even better. So instead of the native system withering on the vine, Rivian could use the extra income to make the native system the best in class / no screen projection required they’ve been touting.

I never said I felt oppressed because the Rivian I bought doesn’t have CarPlay, so please put down the straw man. What I said was that this type of argumentative behavior where people feel the need to tell others that they shouldn’t need or want something is lacking in empathy. It’s the fact that some people get joy out of someone else’s unhappiness that can be truly ugly.

I know some people get happiness from making others unhappy, as if there is a finite amount of happiness in the world and the only way to make their own situation better is to make somebody else’s worse. I’d rather spend my time making my situation better for me than spending my time making someone else’s situation worse for them. That’s the bare minimum for human decency regarding needs and wants of others to me. Beyond that, I try to help other people in ways which are helpful to them; I don’t inflict my priorities on them in the process.

 

[jpal]

I’m not pretending anything. You seem to think that either Rivian spends money on internal development or Rivian spends the same money on development to support screen projection as your false binary. At least one Rivian employee admitted that implementing CarPlay was possible and they implied that it wasn’t that big of a deal.

As I have said, and people either don’t read or understand: Rivian can implement CarPlay and charge for it. Heck, they could charge for it upfront to make sure there is suitable demand on a sort of put up or shut up move. (Unlike “FSD” I have faith that Rivian would provide what they’re selling for a up charge.) Whatever they charge over and above development costs related to CarPlay can be used to fund development of the native infotainment to make it even better. So instead of the native system withering on the vine, Rivian could use the extra income to make the native system the best in class / no screen projection required they’ve been touting.

I never said I felt oppressed because the Rivian I bought doesn’t have CarPlay, so please put down the straw man. What I said was that this type of argumentative behavior where people feel the need to tell others that they shouldn’t need or want something is lacking in empathy. It’s the fact that some people get joy out of someone else’s unhappiness that can be truly ugly.

I know some people get happiness from making others unhappy, as if there is a finite amount of happiness in the world and the only way to make their own situation better is to make somebody else’s worse. I’d rather spend my time making my situation better for me than spending my time making someone else’s situation worse for them. That’s the bare minimum for human decency regarding needs and wants of others to me. Beyond that, I try to help other people in ways which are helpful to them; I don’t inflict my priorities on them in the process.

When you reference politics and things like "person A trying to prevent improvement for group B behavior", we all know what the current hot topics are that fall within this category. And frankly, as a member (or a loved one) of a few of these group B's myself, it's a bit offensive to even consider putting "CarPlay in my Rivian" in the same conversation. This is NOT AT ALL even in the same ballpark as any of that. It's just very sensationalist to bring this up as you did here.

So, next to the false binary. Many people (and I read your views as falling in this category) want to basically set up two (and only two) universes here. In universe 1, Rivian continues on its way and doesn't add CarPlay/AA. In universe 2, Rivian does everything the same as universe 1, but adds CarPlay/AA on separately. Therefore, if anyone doesn't want CarPlay, it's because we want to prevent you from having joy and we're just doing it out of spite or lack of empathy, because it doesn't affect us at all.

Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work that way. Adding CarPlay/AA changes the course and priorities of how they implement things in the future in their native UI. In reality, there are at least three broad potential outcomes:
1) Rivian continues on current path with native UI, no CarPlay/AA
2) Rivian continues on current path with native UI, continues to sink just as much time and attention into UI as option 1, AND adds CarPlay/AA as a sidecar. This is the LEAST realistic outcome.
3) Rivian adds CarPlay/AA, and makes some concessions on current path with native UI due to duplication with CarPlay/AA functionalities.

Option 3 is way more likely to occur than Option 2, but no one seems to want to allow for that, and instead want to assume lack of humanity on me and others who think like me. This is why I have a problem with a post like yours.

 

[CharonPDX]

Oh, is it time for this poll again? It's been a week since the last one already?

 

[Hereforthesnacks]

I voted no, I'd rather have Android Auto integration

They aren’t mutually exclusive. Cars l have both.

 

[SoCal Rob]

When you reference politics and things like "person A trying to prevent improvement for group B behavior", we all know what the current hot topics are that fall within this category. And frankly, as a member (or a loved one) of a few of these group B's myself, it's a bit offensive to even consider putting "CarPlay in my Rivian" in the same conversation. This is NOT AT ALL even in the same ballpark as any of that. It's just very sensationalist to bring this up as you did here.

So, next to the false binary. Many people (and I read your views as falling in this category) want to basically set up two (and only two) universes here. In universe 1, Rivian continues on its way and doesn't add CarPlay/AA. In universe 2, Rivian does everything the same as universe 1, but adds CarPlay/AA on separately. Therefore, if anyone doesn't want CarPlay, it's because we want to prevent you from having joy and we're just doing it out of spite or lack of empathy, because it doesn't affect us at all.

Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work that way. Adding CarPlay/AA changes the course and priorities of how they implement things in the future in their native UI. In reality, there are at least three broad potential outcomes:
1) Rivian continues on current path with native UI, no CarPlay/AA
2) Rivian continues on current path with native UI, continues to sink just as much time and attention into UI as option 1, AND adds CarPlay/AA as a sidecar. This is the LEAST realistic outcome.
3) Rivian adds CarPlay/AA, and makes some concessions on current path with native UI due to duplication with CarPlay/AA functionalities.

Option 3 is way more likely to occur than Option 2, but no one seems to want to allow for that, and instead want to assume lack of humanity on me and others who think like me. This is why I have a problem with a post like yours.

Do you remember my first post in this thread? My second comment about this poll was, "Next, I don’t think this poll will accomplish anything other than spark more argument on here rather than rational discussion." and look at you trying to argue rather than discuss. You're assuming/inferring my intent in your first paragraph, above, and I'm trying to stay out of politics so just let me say that I doubt I'm talking about what you think but let's just take it as a given that I'm someone who tries to be empathetic about others, and that at a bare minimum I wouldn't run interference about a mere discussion on the internet, let alone something more important.

You don't want CarPlay or screen projection? Great, that's what's right for you. There are people on here who want the option of things that either I don't care about, or I actively don't want. I don't argue against them because they're options.

I presented a scenario which is win/win in my earlier post and you didn't address it, "Rivian can implement CarPlay and charge for it. Heck, they could charge for it upfront to make sure there is suitable demand on a sort of put up or shut up move. (Unlike “FSD” I have faith that Rivian would provide what they’re selling for a up charge.) Whatever they charge over and above development costs related to CarPlay can be used to fund development of the native infotainment to make it even better. So instead of the native system withering on the vine, Rivian could use the extra income to make the native system the best in class / no screen projection required they’ve been touting."

Look, you're reading things that I didn't write and appear to be ignoring things that I did. You seem to think that I imagine only two universes when I am open to more possibilities than that. Heck, I even mentioned a version where Rivian stays the course and only adds screen projection at end of life to keep the hardware viable longer in my first post of this thread, "I hope that at a bare minimum the final update for a hardware platform they no longer plan to support will include an option to buy screen projection capability to prolong the useful life of the hardware by leveraging the smart phone connected to it." I'm perfectly capable of seeing nuances, coming up with solutions, and generally brainstorming.

Let me try reframing this: People were having a discussion about a feature they'd like added to their vehicles. I contributed to the thread and, foolishly, thought that I could bring a larger abstract concept of how people treat one another and applied it to what I thought was a low-stakes scenario. Like, maybe someone out there might recognize a behavior they see in others or in themselves, question it, and perhaps make the world a better place.

People who don't know me or my circumstances telling me how I should think and what is best for me annoys me. I'm sorry that I got you upset.

 

[Robin]

Every crap rental car I get has carplay makes it feel mundane and boring. I like the Rivian set up better with the Alexa integration I do wish we had voice to text that's the only thing i'm missing.

Yep, though I do use Siri for text messages and that seems to work well.?

 

[Robin]

OK...Rant on...Why is CarPlay asked about evert .25 days? RJ has said at multiple times that CP/AA are not on the horizon and Rivian has no plans to introduce it. You knew that when you bought the car.

Rant off, now back yo your regularly-scheduled forum.

???

 

[Rividiculous]

Well, if Rivian adds CarPlay, will that end the discussion of CarPlay on this forum? If so, I might change my vote to “yes”. ?

I’m actually pleasantly surprised that the tally, so far, disfavors CarPlay.

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