Quad Motor Rivian R1 with NACS Gen 2 Teaser (MKBHD)

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

I was arguing in Tesla's favor here in the past (you don't need an extension because Tesla has a path forward), but their movement on upgrading existing sites has been slower than even I expected.

Goofball in charge fired the staff at one point. Then almost immediately realized that was a bad idea. Most of the existing staff had moved along to other positions (as high performers with good resumes do), and they had to rebuild the teams. I'm guessing that slowed it down considerably.

https://glassalmanac.com/elon-musk-...eam-after-halting-development-by-firing-them/

He fired them all to remind everyone who is boss—when the charging dept. leaders pushed back on further staff reduction (on top of what they already cut at his request). Some were hired back but the public/press doesn't know exactly how many. Suppliers and contractors were left in the dark. The company, at the time, also said all planned expansion/upgrades would either halt or be scaled back. Sites with permits already would continue to completion. Sites that had not received permits would be canceled.

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[nsuglerio]

1 - maybe, why does this matter? We haven't hidden gas flaps since the 60's.
2 - subjective at best
3 - meh, again why does it matter?
4 - Rivian already has this with the CCS, I don't see a change here.

What else ya got to work towards "far superior"? I'm all ears.

Sound like someone where CCS was your first cable. It's does & it works great. Let me add to the pile my own opinion on top of everyone else'.

Plugging in the supercharger cord with the NAC ports is easier, especially when light is low and you are just trying to plug in quick. The filet edges guide the cord which to me is pretty nice. On top of one port for home charging and DC fast charging also is appealing - That flap while tried and true is sort of annoying. Also if you forget to close the DC fast charge flap your charge door closes all wonky.

It's simpler and works just fine so I don't really think switching to NACS is some huge issue. Not to mention I have a ton of superchargers around me and their time of use pricing is lightyears ahead of the RAN chargers or EA chargers.

 

[Reed1T]

Funny Markus hasn’t come across another EV with the NACS port yet. Maybe it’s Canada that has a few before the US does. With all the trade stuff I know the Kia EV9 is only just getting the NACS while Canada has had them on since April. And I’m under the impression some other Kias have already been shipping that way.
I could be entirely wrong in regards to others, but at least in the case of the EV9 I can verify the NACS as we picked ours up with it April 1st or second.

 

[Canthoney]

Haven’t replied in a while, my thoughts are NACS is it is important because it will spur the charging and auto industry on to make the switch. It’s just beginning of the end for this CCS vs NACS format war. Yes, we’ll live in adapter land for a few years, but it will also future perfect proof it, and it’s usability can’t be discounted.

On 800 V, I had a Kia EV6 for a bit and I would not discount the marketing potential behind a fast charging vehicle. RJ has already stated that his R1 line will make the switch at some point whether it’s with this or gen 3 I don’t know, but we know it’s in Rivian‘s future.

I would argue it’s just as important to implement that on R2 and R3 as well so they can not only be at par with Tesla, but get ahead of them, since Tesla have gone stagnant with their vehicle development, especially since this is supposed to be a global vehicle competing with Chinese EV’s. Yes, the investment is costly, but it will pay off in the long-term, and with VW partnered with them, there could be a potential to share the development costs. Just my outsider perspective

 

[Pecos Bill]

Yeah, the 800v would be interesting. The plug type, who really cares…

Well, for starters, if you drop your connector on a garage floor, your CCS has a higher likelihood of cracking or breaking the locking tab like my hubby’s gen one R1T. I dropped my Tesla cable twice. No detectable difference. I have my eyes on a gen 2 R2 because buggy 1.0 is a thing. I’ll see if it stacks up to others as well but absolutely not Tesla

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

Well, for starters, if you drop your connector on a garage floor, your CCS has a higher likelihood of cracking or breaking the locking tab like my hubby’s gen one R1T. I dropped my Tesla cable twice. No detectable difference. I have my eyes on a gen 2 R2 because buggy 1.0 is a thing. I’ll see if it stacks up to others as well but absolutely not Tesla

What? Who has a CCS DCFC in their personal garage?? And you'd have to clumsy or inebriated to drop a CCS plug and cable at a DCFC site. As bulky as they are, they have handles with room for both hands.

What's the next excuse in this meandering moot argument? one plug tells better jokes than the other? It's. Just. A. Plug.

 

[Pecos Bill]

What? Who has a CCS DCFC in their personal garage?? And you'd have to clumsy or inebriated to drop a CCS plug and cable at a DCFC site. As bulky as they are, they have handles with room for both hands.

It’s Monday. I that’s what came to mind and not the “J plug” (because standards numbers are annoying. WiFi dropped them and so did I).

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

It’s Monday. I that’s what came to mind and not the “J plug” (because standards numbers are annoying. WiFi dropped them and so did I).

The J1772 plug isn't much bigger or thicker than NACS. Durability of any J1772 or NACS plug has more to do with manufacturing and choice of plastics. It's not because of format.

Christ. Do travel sites have arguments about US outlet vs Schuko??

 

[Gen(R3)Xer]

Yeah definitely too much to hope for at this point. I do hope they put in a high voltage system in the R2, and 3. I know RJ said they probably wouldn’t but it would really future proof them for long term and get charging down to 15-18 mins for 0-80%

It’s 400V for R2 and R3. It’s cheaper, which is why Kia is switching to 400V on their new models. Also if the majority of chargers don’t support 800V there’s really no point. Most people who own EVs charge at home where this doesn’t even matter. It’s only when charging publicly or on road trips that you would notice a difference.

 

[EarlyAdptr]

NACS is easier and more intuitive the first time. But with familiarity and the muscle memory one gains, CCS1 isn’t exactly brain surgery. Ok, someone with physical challenges might still struggle a bit more with the bulkier CCS1 plug and cable, but still not as hard the 10th time as the very first.

All this moot arguing… the facts remain the same. The US market is moving towards NACS whether you hate or love it. Feelings don’t matter. It will and is happening slowly—even slower than predicted due to regressive politics. And while that conversion/transition is taking place over several years, one will have to live with adapters either way if they want access to all DCFC opportunities. So strange, this attachment to an inanimate object. Electrical outlet fetish?? Bad for your health.

Guess what would be a more meaningful development for everyone's charging experience? Longer cables at V3 Supercharger sites. This way Superchargers are better utilized, and take strain off of other networks that have too much demand and too few dispensers.

For those of us who have installed CCS1 chargers at home, over the long-run what happens as the world's fleet of EV converts to NACS. Adapter for home charge (CCS1 to NACS) I assume? That right?

 

[strykerwsu]

For those of us who have installed CCS1 chargers at home, over the long-run what happens as the world's fleet of EV converts to NACS. Adapter for home charge (CCS1 to NACS) I assume? That right?

You have a J1772 at home, its the AC side of the CCS1 which also includes DC for L3 charging. Yes, in the future you can buy a simple "NACS" adapter, I use one all the time for our commuter M3. Quick and easy.

Im in the camp that NACS will really help conversion since so much easier to use on the road since lighter and smaller.

 

[UnsungZero_OldTimeAdMan]

For those of us who have installed CCS1 chargers at home, over the long-run what happens as the world's fleet of EV converts to NACS. Adapter for home charge (CCS1 to NACS) I assume? That right?

1. You do not have a CCS charger at home. 99.9% don’t. You have J1772.

2. Nothing. Electrons don’t care what plug/adapter/port they pass through. You use your whatever spec charger/plug/adapter/port until it breaks or you move on.

 

[theonetruestripes]

For those of us who have installed CCS1 chargers at home, over the long-run what happens as the world's fleet of EV converts to NACS. Adapter for home charge (CCS1 to NACS) I assume? That right?

If anyone has installed CCS1 chargers at home it would be kind of a big deal. That is the DC charger. What they will have at home is J1772, the top roughly two thirds of CCS1. Literally. With all the AC stuff. The adaptor from J1772 to NACS is trivial, it is actually the same voltages, the same pins in different places and the same signaling sent over it.

Tesla includes a J1772 to NACS adaptor with ever car, even in this “well past penny pinching era” for them. Extras are $50 from their overpriced store (equivalent of Rivian’s Gear Shop).

So one way to deal with it would be to use an adaptor forever. Or replace the home charger with a NACS charger at some point, it isn’t like home chargers are all that expensive. Tesla’s “universal” home charger has an adaptor sort of attached you can pop on and off (I don’t have one, I assume it is attached to the NACSs connector via a small string or cable so it doesn’t get lost).

I have a J1772 charger in my garage and a NACS charger in my barn. My daily driver is a J1772(-CCS1) Rivian, and if I replace it with a NACS EV I’ll swap the charger from my barn and garage. If I have a visitor with a NACS EV they can go out to the barn and charge (except in the winter when the snow is likely too deep for most vehicles, although maybe I’ll get the snow blower out and make a path). Then again if I have a visitor with NACS they likely have a J1772 adaptor so they could charge in my garage.

 

[captainjp]

Tesla’s “universal” home charger has an adaptor sort of attached you can pop on and off (I don’t have one, I assume it is attached to the NACSs connector via a small string or cable so it doesn’t get lost).

I have it. It locks into the base when using NACS and locks to the plug when using J. Not removable by hand. It’s a brilliant design.

 

[dleepnw]

Doesn't make sense that Rivian changed to the NACS port but didn't change the location of the port. If you purchase the new quad with NACS you'll still be taking up two spots unless its a v4 SuperCharger. If they were going to introduce NACS they should have moved the port to the passebger side. OR.., perhaps they will be moving it for full production and the vehicles out in the wild now are still on the drivers side.

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